Makrosky
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Hola tyw,I will say with no proof other than clinical experience and thousands of years of Chinese Medicine, that the "pipes" that transport energy through the body are:
- The collagen meridian system (as documented by the Chinese)
- Muscle Fascia (whole thing is important)
- Blood and Lymph
Very nice discussion. Good thread really. Learning (trying) a lot.
And as always... more questions than answers ;-)
What makes you think the meridian system (as in TCM) is made of collagen ?
Giving that you are learning TCM... This central idea of communication you are repeating reminds me... TCM! You know all the stuff about the liver being the general, rebellious qi, etc.I still hold to the idea that communication is the main problem, and a lack of consensus is what causes cells to go rouge. There are clearly states that we go through every day which demands lesser energy usage -- sleep for one, and this is achieved by the forced consensus inflicted upon the body by the night time environment (unless it is disrupted, then bad things start to happen). In other words, all cells in a system communicating and agreeing upon a low energy state is not pathological.
Low serotonin is probably indicative of good health. Lowering serotonin through drugs however will probably not give you good health. Low serotonin is good because it means there's low stress on cells. Lowering serotonin artificially probably stresses the cells.
Yes. It think the body knows what it's doing. I don't think fiddling directly with things such as serotonin is smart, in most cases.
I think your point is very valid. There's a reason why the body does the things it does. We could discuss about wether this is accurate or desirable or mechanisms to force/accompany the body out of those homeostatic/adaptative states. Really out of the scope of my comment right now. What I want to point out is that serotonin case is special. Very special. Serotonin is the direct cause of learned helplessness. In that state, even what you could do to escape/heal from a certain state, you won't do it. So lowering artificially serotonin is a WISE action. I've been there myself and tianeptine (serotonin lowering) has helped me inmensely. How are you going to change the things that are making your body adapt to a lower function (i.e stress) you if you can't think further than 24 hours on. When you are in stress mode you can't think about long term. Only immediate fight or flight that would burn out your energy reserves and bring you... more learned helplessness. It's a rat that knows how to swim but stops doing so and drowns. The image is powerful, isn't it ? So to that regard, yes, oposing serotonin is VERY WISE and desirable.
Correct me if I'm wrong but you've never experienced the high stress/learned helplessness situation I'm talking about, right ? (I'm not saying this in any offensive manner). You would think very different, trust me. From a theoretical point of view it's easy to say yeah.. the body is wise... but quite often is not just your body man, it's lots of external stressors.
Best diet is that which causes you the least stress. Seeking a good diet is about "stress reduction", not "energy optimisation".
I do not care for optimising macronutrient ratios unless it is for specific athletic performance purposes.
In my experience, disease is almost always caused by some factor other than nutrition (with the exception of over- and under-nutrition).
Strange you study TCM and Ray Peat at the same time. A few things to remark :
- TCM would never recommend the same diet or nutritional approach for everyone, as Peat (or our interpretation of Peat) does.
- I'm not an expert on TCM (just an ammateur) but I've never encountered any TCM text advocating for thyroid hormone supplementation. That is very strange considering TCM has a long history of using all sorts of herbs and bizarre animal parts. Don't you think it's strange ?
- This reminds me of this article from a reputed TCM doctor and author. I hope you like it. And let me know what you think if you like! All Disease comes from the heart
Never touched any thyroid medications before. Never really did well with natural thyroid as well.
Supplements vary according to needs, though usually it is restricted to methylation support (Mo, Mn, Li, 5-MHTF), and then Pregnenolone and DHEA (oral). Only taken when needed, determined through my wooowooo TCM methodologies.
Occasional herbal remedies as needed in response to pathogens ... too many varieties to list here. As a generic anti-pathogen though, I always carry a lot of Betaine HCL in case of major infection.
What are your woowoo TCM methods ? Pulse ? I always wanted to know enough TCM pulse diagnosis to test what any supplement does on me. I remember when doing almost a year of TCM therapy my TCM doctor would take the pulse for a few secs... then frown...then put some needles...then take the pulse again...frown less...put some more needles...pulse again..."aha, now", smiled, and then left me 20 mins with the needles on. I was always amazed of that. And I always thought... wow... if I could know my diagnosis by pulse, then have some supps, and then re-test again and see what it did... that would be VERY powerful to advance in self-healing using supps. What do you think ?
By the way are you studying formal TCM courses ? Or amateur ?
Sorry tyw for so many questions.... I owe you a beer. And one to haidut as well.