Giraffe
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So what about your Ca : Ph ratio? I'd like to see an exemplary day of your diet including all macros and micros.Derek said:post 112383Giraffe said:post 112379I agree that magnesium is important, especially for hypothyroid people, but I think that your ratio is wrong and unrealistic.Derek said:post 112227Giraffe said:post 112223Is this a typo?Derek said:post 112169 Could of been a calcium:magnesium imbalance, which is why milk helped. Mg:Ca should be 1:1.
[highlight=yellow]I think the ratio of Calcium:Magnesium should be 1:1, or 2:1 at the very least.[/highlight]
Without adequate calcium, magnesium, protein and some of the fat-soluble vitamins the PTH will rise.
[highlight=yellow]Most foods with a ratio Ca:Mg = 2 or lower are high in phosphorus.[/highlight] Minimum requirements for protein are 1 g/kg bodyweight.
If I tried to get your Ca:Mg ratio from food it would be at the cost of too high phosphorus and/or inadequate protein and/or inadequate calcium. To supplement that much magnesium is tricky too. Too much supplemental magnesium triggers diarrhea, let alone other issues with oral magnesium supplementation discussed already.
My ratio is only unrealistic if you consume massive amounts of dairy or supplement calcium/eggshell. If you consume normal amounts of calcium, say 1g daily; then it's very easy to achieve a 1:1 or 2:1 of Ca:Mg. Why do you feel magnesium is especially important for hypothyroid people? If you can't retain it, then the amount of magnesium you consume/supplement really doesn't matter much.
PTH is complex. It isn't a matter of just take this or take that. I've seen people's PTH increase via blood work after implementing a high calcium/dairy diet. They should of been getting enough calcium, protein, fat solubles, etc... So why didn't PTH decrease? It actually increased in many cases, or at best; stayed the same.
I'm sorry it's that difficult for you to achieve this ratio via your diet. Maybe you're diet is too restrictive. Or like I said you're just consuming too much calcium. There are people here consuming 3-4g of Calcium daily, obviously you can never get that amount of magnesium; so my advice is to lower calcium to get a better ratio. I am able to get at least a 2:1 ratio fairly easily, without supplementation.
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