Low Toxin Lifestyle Detox Ideology is the WORST Toxin, AVOID!

[Dominus]

It seems this forum has shifted to embracing the low vitamin A path. This makes me very happy. I was amongst the first to adopt this lifestyle and it was one of the best things I've done. I interviewed both Garrett Smith and the OG Grant Genereux a couple times on my podcast. I am personally convinced this path is correct.

But a sickness has crept in that I must address.

I agree and practice many of Dr. Garrett Smith’s practical advice. EMF, sunlight, avoiding VA, moving bowels, etc. But I highly disagree with his ideology around detox. I think it’s bad for you, and serves his own needs.

I have been in the health industry now for almost 15 years, both personally and professionally. You must know, doctors need a hook to get you to keep coming back. In the natural world, it is detox. You feel bad now, but later you will feel better. It may take years, but if you have the dedication, you will be healthy and happy one day. In Christian terms, if you follow the Law, you will gain righteousness and salvation.

I would be an awful natural doctor in business terms. I would want people to feel better and full of life right now. I wouldn’t have any residual income, only gratefulness. Focusing on detox/the Law warps your mindset. You lose touch with the burning life of this moment, and live for the future good.

For example, when someone buys you a cake for your birthday (if you even have friends left), you refuse to eat a bite, why?

If you were truly alive, you would not eat because it made you feel bad: “sorry, that would give me terrible heart burn to eat that, I can’t.” People would understand, a new cake would be brought, no life force would be disrupted.

But when you live under detox/the Law, you refuse because it threatens your future good. You COULD eat a bite of cake without harm, but you don’t want to because you are under this toxic ideology of suffering.

Life is fire and movement. There is so much going on out there. Have you taken any risks lately? Have you rolled the dice in some new scenario? Things are constantly passing away and being reborn in fire and glory.

Listening to Dr. Smith is listening to a very sick man. He goes on and on about all the threats out there. He rants and raves about “them” and their plans to make you sick. This battle is constant and never ending, just like his detox journey which you can pay him to be on.

Back before he blew up his marriage and family, we made plans to hang out. He lives in AZ like me and we were going to shoot guns or something. But it never happened as his life spiraled lower. He lives on war, and war alone.

But Tarman, surely you do not deny the evil forces out there? Of course not! And being aware of them is crucial to living well. But they are weak and feeble in the long run. No one will talk about the Rothschilds in a couple hundred years. They pass away. Only goodness, love, and truth survive. Healthy people do not focus on these forces. They live with hope.

But Tarman, I feel better on low VA and his advice, are you saying we should ignore this? Never! I do many of these things because they make me feel good RIGHT NOW. Because they make me energetic, outgoing, talkative, and engaging. But I have no thoughts to some future good I am getting to because of these things. There is no scorecard. There are no mistakes.

Maybe it is the raw meat I eat, or the rapamycin. But the passion I feel finally woke me up to this amazing life.

Look at the healthiest among us, the young people. Do they worry about the future? No. Your worries about the future are your inflammation talking. The young live for the intensity of this moment and connection.

Do the young seek out pain and misery in some bid for future glory? No! They seek only goodness, pleasure, love, and life. Only the very sick of mind and body get lost in this detox like delusion.

But you are not young anymore! You have wisdom now. How much richer can your life be, knowing the pitfalls the young do not?

Forget this detox ideology. Loosen up and just listen. You will find life and connection.

I find Smith to be motivating and entertaining. I'm not an absolutist.

 

[Archon]

He has nothing to do with Wilson and Eck. He laughed at Wilson quite a bit. Yes mineral balancing is a big piece he would say but there’s more to it. He didn’t trust people messing around with nutrients… so he’d tell people to try TEI ARL. After my experiences I get it.

Weird iron went low and ferritin high ish. Ferritin being low is issue for me. It stays low as copper stays low. Iron in hair is really big to me (gbold “people get better when iron goes up in hair. And that goes with my history to strong degree.)

End of day I think pyruvate dehydrogenase is a system that needs to work to make iron available . We need to make co2 in order to control oxygen here controlling oxygen allows us to retain iron. Nadph needs to work. This is gbold. Nadph huge. But peat accurate in we need to make co2 .

i recall getting the impression that with my kind of bloodwork in the "low vA" i should probably donate and I was healthier with the low ferritin high iron tests

 

[Santosh]

Seriously? What more tangible is there than dance, sex, love, family, friends and satisfying work?
What is more grounding than that?

@Tarmander hey :)

That's definitely not what he said, he was mentioning vague ideas and concepts.
Why don't you let him defend himself like the grown up he is instead of putting words in his mouth ?

 

[Makrosky]

That's definitely not what he said, he was mentioning vague ideas and concepts.
Why don't you let him defend himself like the grown up he is instead of putting words in his mouth ?

Nothing he said seems vague/ungrounded to me, quite the opposite. And that's why I posted. This is a forum, not a private conversation. Don't try to vampirize energies with those comments mate.

 

[Tarmander]

@Makrosky Hey bro, good to see you're still at it

What are you into these days

 

[TheCalciumCad]

View: https://twitter.com/Mark_Sisson/status/1772641914732380323

 

[Santosh]

View: https://twitter.com/Mark_Sisson/status/1772641914732380323

Most of us are seeking a normal state, not a higher ground state.

 

[Santosh]

Nothing he said seems vague/ungrounded to me, quite the opposite. And that's why I posted. This is a forum, not a private conversation. Don't try to vampirize energies with those comments mate.

Don't stay locked in the ethereum of ideas, know what you want and get it.

 

[Highserotonin90]

@TheCalciumCad Many times it comes to mind when I wasn't thinking about all this and wasn't looking for answers to health at all costs... I was "better" but on the other hand if you're not truly in a state of chronic illness you hardly reach forums like these .

 

[AOSJ]

@marcar72

Salvation occurs after death. One must be in a state of justification to be saved. This entails being free of all sin, so receiving absolution from a properly ordained priest at the sacrament of confession is required, and one must be in the bosom and unity of the Church, for there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church.

Amen, amen. Ecumenism has blinded most of the world to this critical fact.

 

[NeverSurrender]

Agree with all this, I briefly flirted with the anti VA stuff a few years ago it was my Ray Peat 'rebound'. I am convinced this is partially because Ray being 'anti authoritarian' if people stay in this state long enough without results they will long for the opposite and Garrett fills that void. I only needed a few months of reduced VA intake, which is all it should take if you've genuinely overdone it. After a few months of watching Garrett Smith I clocked id escaped one trap and fallen into another, and after that I was done with all these guru types and ideology's "just restrict PUFA to 3-4g per day THEN you will be healthy and your thyroid will function!!!!" >>> "Just avoid Vitamin A for years THEN you will be healthy and have good liver function!!!" which is even more unsustainable. I actually found Garretts energy quite repulsive initially but persisted as I was getting good results post-peating, but you can see how much anger the guy is holding onto which pulls his energy down and ironically hurts liver function.

You have to learn to trust yourself more and eat the foods you are in alignment with above all, alot of this is rooted in childhood trauma and not knowing how to meet your own needs which is what learned helplessness actually is.

Agreed. Ditto.

 

[NeverSurrender]

I also think it’s important to remember how remarkably resilient we are and how phenomenal the liver is at regeneration.
Smith started reminding me of Big Pharma and their goal of keeping customers for life. It’s a shame because he has had some really great ideas and insights but I think he’s possibly taken a wrong turn due to perhaps greed or pride. Forgive me for sounding judgmental but it really matters how we treat others and on that front things aren’t looking good.

Yep I agree.

 

[NeverSurrender]

Your logic is flawed.
The young feel good and vibrant because they haven't worn out their health capital yet, not because they don't worry about tomorrow.
You start worrying about tomorrow because one day you wake up and realize you don't have as much energy as yesterday, and maybe it's time you save some of that energy until you find a way to produce more.

I used to always worry about the future and the future of my health when I was 17. That didn't prevent me from exercising 6 days a week, have sex 5 times a night, party 3 days in a row and still have the mental capacity to study in the top 1% college and to worry about the future.

I don’t think it’s flawed logic. I’m much healthier & feel better at 47 than I have in my whole life.

 

[NeverSurrender]

He said in a recent livestream that his diet would make one very fertile and advised using condoms to avoid pregnancy. I called him out for it and told him that using condoms is a sin, to which he called me a pejorative and said not to turn it into a religious debate, even though he was the one who turned it into a religious debate the moment he recommended a moral action, namely using condoms.

I don't consider him a Christian, even though he may call himself one, and it's a great scandal for him to tell his viewers to partake in sinful conduct, such as using condoms and engaging in fornication. However, his diet recommendations have already led to impressive results in my health. For example, the magnesium spray that he recommends has already relieved hypertension that I've been dealing with for over a year on the Ray Peat diet. His theories also explain many of the issues I had after heavy vitamin D supplementation and following the keto diet years back.

I truly hope for his conversion to Christ, and perhaps if you are struggling with your faith, it might be advisable to learn about his diet from other sources so as not to weaken your soul by hearing and being recommended to sin and use condoms. But I don't think there's any doubt that his diet recommendations work. He tested it on himself, and as a 48-year-old man, he has the testosterone levels that men half his age would like to have.

In addition, it's crucial to distinguish between physical well-being and faith in Christ. While good health is valuable, it doesn't necessarily correlate with one's spiritual standing. A person may endure poor health yet maintain unwavering faith, just as someone with robust health might lead a morally bankrupt life destined for condemnation. Personally, I would find immense joy in facing mortality tomorrow if I were assured of my soul's justification and eternal salvation. So, if you think your soul is saved because you're following his diet advice or that's the solution to the massive moral problems in America like the prevalence of crime, abortion, pornography, homosexuality, etc., then you are gravely mistaken. There is no substitute for living a moral life, and no diet will necessarily make you wiser in the eyes of God.

For emphasis, though I will say once again that I do think his medical advice is correct.

I concur. From what I experienced & observed with him & his team, I don’t believe he’s a Christian. He’s an impostor. They’re not nice people. I’ve had to learn the hard way several times to be wary of people that flaunt Christianity/Christ. I’ve experienced several of these health practitioners that display symbols of Christianity & I believe it’s to fool & lure people. All turned out to be awful people/practitioners/quacks that caused harm for the money. I hope next time I will run not walk & at least not give them any of my money again.

I’m not saying that Garrett doesn’t have any good information. Some of it is good, but this isn’t rocket science, but he banks on people thinking he’s got the secret knowledge we need & we just need to pay him to get it. We don’t. Just check out this forum & Grant’s site- he’s the pioneer, Garrett is cashing in on it. And, I say Garrett because he’s not a Dr in my book, only a MD or a PHD rate the title Dr.

 

[Santosh]

I don’t think it’s flawed logic. I’m much healthier & feel better at 47 than I have in my whole life.

Did you read what I was responding to or are you writing things that randomly come to your mind ?

You are now "healthier" at 47 because you are carefuly thinking about you eat and what you do, you are forcing health upon yourself.
Try and eat the ***t you were eating at 15 and see how that makes you feel.

Your constitution was much better and untouched at 15.

 

[NeverSurrender]

Did you read what I was responding to or are you writing things that randomly come to your mind ?

You are now "healthier" at 47 because you are carefuly thinking about you eat and what you do, you are forcing health upon yourself.
Try and eat the ***t you were eating at 15 and see how that makes you feel.

Your constitution was much better and untouched at 15.

You know you can choose to be less hostile , & less of a know it all.

 

[Santosh]

You know you can choose to be less hostile , & less of a know it all.

Of course I could, I choose everything in the life I decided to live, and there is a good reason I chose this path.

 

[Tarmander]

For those asking about embracing life more, I recently did a podcast that touches on EMF, Rapamycin, and environment. Environment is really the place to start and where you get the most bang for your buck.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35gWXJFu850

 

[Blossom]

For those asking about embracing life more, I recently did a podcast that touches on EMF, Rapamycin, and environment. Environment is really the place to start and where you get the most bang for your buck.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35gWXJFu850

I’m so excited about this one! Thank you

 

[macguffin]

Fantastic post, thanks @Tarmander. I agree with you. I followed Dr. Smith and his protocol very intensely for 2 years and did see some real benefits, but I agree - his approach is one that locks people into fear, rigidity, and orthorexia. There are people that have been in his network for 5+ years and they are still "detoxing" and dealing with all sorts of issues. I think for a lot of these people, there is a mental component involved. At this point, I am not sure where I stand w/r/t vitamin A. I added back into my life (via milk, eggs, mangoes, etc) about a year ago and I haven't noticed any negatives from it. I do think Smith has a lot of good ideas in general, but I agree that following him as a person is not good for the health. Great post.