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kiran said:narouz, I had chronic fatigue type issues, and just general hypothyroid symptoms with very low body temp (but high pulse) etc. It is my impression that he doesn't want to recommend T3 directly because someone might pick that advice up and hurt themselves with it. I had also been taking iodoral for a while, so perhaps I had some iodine toxicity going on.
kiran said:I don't know if it helps ease your mind, but it was Peat who recommended I use T3 a while back.
narouz said:Charlie said:I will think on it some more, but I just dont know what to try at this point.
Charlie-
As I said, I've been sortuv trying a similar angle myself lately,
on a cue from Ray-Z.
But I was aware--or had forgotten about--
the view on the website you noted
about strictly only T3 being used
as a method of "clearing" the supposedly over-stored T4.
So I'd been using a little T3 blended in with lessened dosage of NDT or CynoPlus (a synthetic T4/T3).
According to that website's calculator method,
I am OD'd on T4.
So maybe I'll try the only-T3 thing too
(but I'll have to wait on it like you).
The thing that makes me doubt that that is your problem is:
you took that T4/T3 combo NDT quite a while ago.
Seems like it would've cleared by now.
Well...maybe not.
And the thing that makes me wonder if it is the problem for either of us is:
both of us have been able to sustain pretty consistently good temps,
and I have been doing pretty well at pulse too--consistently around at least 80, so...
I know your pulses have been lagging.
But...as I say...worth a try.
I don't think it would be dangerous at low doses.
Combie said:Charlie, do you not know any bodybuilders or gym rats who might be able to obtain T3 quickly? Im not sure what the legalities of that are in the US tho..
narouz said:I did the Iodoral thing too.
It seemed so reasonable to me at the time.
Charlie said:Dr. Peat, when your metabolism increases, and things start working better. Does your heart beat noticeably harder then when everything was dialed down metabolically? I wonder if maybe I am just not use to my heart working the way it should?
Ray Peat said:Yes, people are usually surprised when they first feel the sensation of a beating heart, some people are thrilled by the sensation of being alive.
Ray Peat said:Yes, I am surprised for sure. Scared even. lol
So, when the heart is beating as it should. You will feel it most of the time? Especially when laying down for bed.
Ray Peat said:If it feels like a muscle contracting inside your chest, I think that's right.
narouz said:I did the Iodoral thing too.
Charlie said:Btw thanks Diane, this has been a stressful experience.
Still not 100% convinced but it is something to think about. And it also takes the stress off the situation a LOT.
Haagendazendiane said:Charlie said:Btw thanks Diane, this has been a stressful experience.
Still not 100% convinced but it is something to think about. And it also takes the stress off the situation a LOT.
Yes, I have been reading your posts and it would be unnerving for anyone. I am glad Peat was able to give you some reassurance that it was normal.
http://toopoopedtoparticipate.com/blog/dr-john-c-lowe-speaks/The only person for whom a small dose of T3 would be harmful would be someone with an extremely fragile heart. Among ambulatory people, this is extremely rare. When a person begins to take an effective dose of T3, his or her previously under-stimulated heart beats more forcibly. The person isn’t used to feeling the vibrations produced by the more forceful projection of blood out of the left large heart chamber (ventricle) against the inner wall of the aorta. Because of this, the person perceives the pounding. Many people misinterpret the pounding as overstimulation of the heart. In fact, it’s just a normal occurrence, as in people who haven’t been hypothyroid. Perception of the pounding is usually enhanced if the person lies on a bed. The bed acts as a sounding board, and this amplifies the perception of pounding and may frighten the person. But if the person understands that the pounding is a harmless phenomenon, he or she will become desensitized to it after a week or two. The pounding from vibrations continue, but the person then isn’t aware of it.
Dr. John Lowe said:The only person for whom a small dose of T3 would be harmful would be someone with an extremely fragile heart. Among ambulatory people, this is extremely rare. When a person begins to take an effective dose of T3, his or her previously under-stimulated heart beats more forcibly. The person isn’t used to feeling the vibrations produced by the more forceful projection of blood out of the left large heart chamber (ventricle) against the inner wall of the aorta. Because of this, the person perceives the pounding. Many people misinterpret the pounding as overstimulation of the heart. In fact, it’s just a normal occurrence, as in people who haven’t been hypothyroid. Perception of the pounding is usually enhanced if the person lies on a bed. The bed acts as a sounding board, and this amplifies the perception of pounding and may frighten the person. But if the person understands that the pounding is a harmless phenomenon, he or she will become desensitized to it after a week or two. The pounding from vibrations continue, but the person then isn’t aware of it.