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Great :) Looking foreward to hear.It is far too soon to say. I'll report back for sure though.
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Great :) Looking foreward to hear.It is far too soon to say. I'll report back for sure though.
@tara I've been trying to find fruits that are high in prorein yet very very low in pufa.
Even orange juice has quite alot of pufa if you have a liter a day, especially if you're trying to keep PUFA under 0.5g/day.
The only way I found to get 40g of protein from fruit (non starchy fruit) is to have about 20 cups a day, way too much for me.
Can you specify how you got to that amount? I'm trying to get more protein from fruit and that would be really helpful.
Even the 0% milk has some pufa.
And a good amount of fruit will also have a few grams of it - about 4-5g.
OJ the same.
It really doesn't seem possible to have a fat-free diet, even if it's only for a couple of weeks to detoxify,
I guess supplementing with some niacinamide and vitamin E would have to do.
Thinking of doing EODF (Every Other Day Feeding) for a week or two, since metabolism doesn't drop much on the first day of a fast it might offer the benefits of fasting without any real damage -
On feeding day just fruit and 0% milk, on fast day just water, and spending the whole day resting in bed.
Throw in beef liver and some occasional 3% lean beef
What do you get from the occasional 3% lean beef that your not getting elsewhere in your diet? Surprised to hear this as second in line after beef liver for adding nutrients to the diet. Usually people are adding occasional oysters, seafood, etc
It is very possible to do very very low fat. It's just not doable for many people because they're either coming out of such a poor state of health or have an unhealthy emotional connection to food, or just choose enjoyment of their food over being strict. And that is fine, I don't fault anyone for choosing to say it is not for them. Nothing wrong with that. But other than the mental aspect, it is actually quite doable to do very low fat/PUFA and get your nutritional needs met, providing one isn't in really bad health.
The way I look at it, I am biohacking my body. I personally wouldn't say I am ultra low fat,...just very low PUFA, since I get hydrogenated coconut oil in decent amounts in my diet.
I'm actually doing ultra low pufa because I'm not healthy. I was trying to not be strict, but that was not making me get better. I now think anyone who is not healthy needs to just bite the bullet and go low pufa at least (maybe not low overall fat). IT may suck at first but I think as long as lots of fats are intaken in the form of hydrogenated coconut oil it should be relatively tolerable. I wouldn't suggest a newbie to go low TOTAL fat though.
I have heard from other sources besides Peat that someone who is sick should be exclusively getting coconut oil for fats. so I think more people are starting to get on board the (lack of) PUFA train.
btw - since ditching almost all pufa and going higher carb / lower fat, I am starting to notice some random pains slowly get less and less... makes sense because in the past I'd made the connection that lots of PUFA's = random aches and pains
What do you guys think the difference between going VERY LOW PUFA (but not very low total fat) vs VERY LOW TOTAL FAT is? Like how do you expect a person to feel different? If they are eating high carb there should not be much fat liberated either way, no?
Thats good, but some people are in such a poor state of health that they just cannot cold turkey do something strict like I am or you are doing, so that is why I say that. But for them I'd still restrict PUFA as much as possible, just maybe not as strict as I am doing at first. But I am mostly talking about people who, as I said, are in very bad shape, like clinically obese, etc. But others who are not that bad in shape or are, but can handle it, may be able to do it to a higher degree of success. I just wouldn't recommend an obese person go cold turkey because losing too much weight too fast can in of itself bring on complications. But many people, as I said, suffer from unhealthy emotional relationships with food and they're usually better off getting their emotional issues worked out before doing anything strict, otherwise they'll keep relapsing. I've seen it happen so much. I've seen people who restricted PUFA very much so for years and then go on week or month long PUFA/junk food binges when something bad happens in their life, etc. But there are some who just need discipline and maybe going cold turkey for them is the best thing. A lot of it is very individual. But yeah, I am a cold turkey kind of guy myself. Don't think I would have been able to though when I had a more unhealthy relationship with food.
Understandable, but actually I think it's almost impossible to lose weight if you're obese while still eating PUFAs. At least that's my current experience. That's probably why the recommendation for sick people is to eat exclusively coconut oil and no other fats. At this point I'm probably considered obese, I have a ton of weight to lose, probably like 70-80 lbs. I kept gaining and gaining while being liberal with fats (pufa's) with no end in sight. I was eating copious butter, dairy fat, chocolate, etc, and gaining weight at an insane pace. I am hoping that now my weight will stabilize and finally start to drop. I'm hardly worried about it dropping too fast, I mean, I haven't noticed it drop at all let alone fast yet lol. I am sure I'm still eating too much caloric wise, but I have to or my temps drop. My appetite does not seem to get satiated with a normal amount of calories, even when I'm restricting PUFA's to as low as 0.5 gram in a day and getting upwards of 100 grams of SFA's.
I believe the body would lower basal metabolism in order to lower body temperature to prevent over heating, similar to what happens on DNP.Has anyone tried to dress in polar clothes all the time for a month? It's something similar to the 'Temperature Reset' thread but continuous, leaving the body no choice but to adapt its composition to it, just like Raj's pigs example.
For someone that struggles to maintain the body temperature normal, wearing heavy clothing will ease the burden of insufficient energy production and perhaps the change in fatty composition of tissues that might go along. If it's excessive it can be wasteful, but it's preferable to let the body lower it as needed (provided that the person has access to nutrition), than not being able to generate enough; which is why Raj commented that people with hypopboydism do better on warm climates, and sometimes the condition being barely noticeable.I believe the body would lower basal metabolism in order to lower body temperature to prevent over heating, similar to what happens on DNP.
I've lived in houses like that. It's hard to get the fingers moving enough to make breakfast in the cold, and clumsy with gloves. Getting undressed for the shower can be a challenge. :)Has anyone tried to dress in polar clothes all the time for a month?