SPEAK THE TRUTH! And Redeem This World From Hell

[Kartoffel]

I don't think I am mistaking some tumblr posts for a giant move of the democrats to collectivists on the political spectrum. Just watch mainstream news. The constant merry go round of calling anyone the democrats disagree with a racist happens practically every day. Just off the top of my head:

-Senator Cory Booker went nuts over the shithole comments, decrying bigotry for the Africans.
-Ever heard of La raza? It means "The race" and is an advocate for Hispanics as a collective (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/national-council-la-raza-changes-name-unidosus-n781261).
- The recent "women's march" is a political force based on collective identity. It is right there in the name really.
- Bill c16 which Peterson was refusing to follow used trans people as a collective, and forced certain speech use when addressing them.

All of these are based on addressing group issues. If you just watch mainstream news, which I do not recommend, all of the political pundits address issues by weighing different groups in the "who have white people hurt the most" hierarchy.

I am liberal at heart, truly. But I am also a white male, so I do not get to participate in the identity politics...so I guess I am a conservative now. If you think he is dull, then move along, but I have not really read any criticism of him in this thread that has any weight to it. Maybe identify some of his "stupid arguments" ?

Ok, let me get this - some Democrats use the gender card to create a litte drama, an ethnic advocacy group chooses a controversial name before quickly changing it, and there was a women's march somewhere, so you freak out and proclaim that the United States are overrun by marxists and becoming a collectivists system? - I am sure vigilant defenders of freedom like yourself will be able to repel this red revolution

 

[EndAllDisease]

@Kartoffel The New World Order would be 'socialism' in the same way that the existing system of governance in the United States today is 'democracy'. Both are lies, which are commonly believed by the public, and the underlying system of both would probably be more accurately described as totalitarianism.

 

[Kartoffel]

@Kartoffel The New World Order would be 'socialism' in the same way that the existing system of governance in the United States today is 'democracy'. Both are lies, which are commonly believed by the public, and the underlying system of both could probably be most accurately identified as totalitarianism.

So why use the word socialism? It's misleading and counterproductive. By the way, there have been many countries that had socialist governments for decades, which are better off today than the U.S.. Sweden, Norway, Denmark all had socialist or social democratic governments, and they are all among the top countries for GDP/capita, standard of living, happiness, HDI, economic performance, social mobility, etc, and have much lower levels of economic inequality, crime, poverty and so on. Peterson recently started mentioning Wilkinson and Pikett a lot. Wilkinson once said: "If you want to live the American dream, go to Denmark"

 

[EndAllDisease]

So why use the word socialism? It's misleading and counterproductive.

You're absolutely right. I apologize for not making myself clear from the start. I will do that in the future if a similar situation arises.

 

[Kartoffel]

You're absolutely right. I apologize for not making myself clear from the start. I will do that in the future if a similar situation arises.

Thanks!

 

[Tarmander]

Ok, let me get this - some Democrats use the gender card to create a litte drama, an ethnic advocacy group chooses a controversial name before quickly changing it, and there was a women's march somewhere, so you freak out and proclaim that the United States are overrun by marxists and becoming a collectivists system? - I am sure vigilant defenders of freedom like yourself will be able to repel this red revolution

Ahh, I thought when you asked, somewhat politely, to explain my earlier comment, you were being sincere. I responded with 4 relatively recent (but not only) examples of collectivism playing out in the political field. You responded by belittling me, as if I was a child, crying about imaginary dragons. I understand why you don't like Peterson now. Probably anyone who takes themselves seriously and acts in a way that is meaningful is replant to you. You are not worth the keystrokes in responding to, and I wish I had ignored your earlier request.

 

[EndAllDisease]

@Kartoffel I think the linchpin maintaining a true democracy is human health. Take Iceland for example. They're similar to the countries you've mentioned - Denmark, Norway, etc. in that they eat very nutritious foods. Skyr - the golden yellow colored fermented milk product from pastured sheep, blood sausage, organ meats and seafood make them absolutely unstoppable. They're one of the happiest nations, have one of the lowest crime rates, are highly intelligent (1 in 10 people there write a book), and in 2010 they jailed their bankers and politicians for behaving corruptly. All this despite a lack of sunlight. As a community they take hot spring baths - which are legally considered a human right in Iceland - on a daily basis which keeps everybody healthy and relaxed. They can't break these people!

Unfortunately, like all the countries the US has attacked within the past 20 years, their banking system isn't part of the federal reserve system, so at some point we can expect the mainstream media to villefy them with a (likely CGI) false flag attack in order to justify entering their country and forcing it upon them. Either that or they could potentially take a more economic hitman style approach.

 

[Kartoffel]

Ahh, I thought when you asked, somewhat politely, to explain my earlier comment, you were being sincere. I responded with 4 relatively recent (but not only) examples of collectivism playing out in the political field. You responded by belittling me, as if I was a child, crying about imaginary dragons. I understand why you don't like Peterson now. Probably anyone who takes themselves seriously and acts in a way that is meaningful is replant to you. You are not worth the keystrokes in responding to, and I wish I had ignored your earlier request.

I have been to Iceland twice. They generally have very good food on their island, but I think the main factor for their well beeing is social cohesion and a sense of community. Most villiages in Iceland are very social places, where they have regular feasts, meetings, and councils in which everybody partakes. Same is true for Sweden and Denmark.
Radical individualism and complete economic freedom aren't the key to good health, they are they key to sickness. No country illustrates this better than the U.S.. If there is one thing that I am absolutely sure off, than it's that we as human beeings have a psychological need for community, friendship, and a certain level of equality among the members of the community. We are the most social animal on the planet and we can't be happy and healthy without a healthy community around us. Peat clearly understands this, and he has talked many times about the negative consequences of radical individualism on our health. Our culture has created lots of people like Tarmander that see every social movement, and sense of community and union as a threatining act of "collectivism".

 

[CLASH]

@Such_Saturation
I know you were being sarcastic however we actually had part of a class on that. Diane35, spirinolactone, synthetic estrogens, synthetic progestogend and other antiandrogens were discussed in the class. Also estrogen is mentioned as the reason women have less heart disease than men and that trans man to woman getting estrogen are actually doing a healthy thing for the cardiovascular system. Meanwhile in the psych wards you find male to femal trans women with dementia in thier 50s, and you ask why it happens so early and the psych doctors tell you its due to all the estrogens they get yet in class estrogens are considered good for the cardiovascular system. Androgens are considered a bad thing as they cause prostate cancer, balding and insulin resistance in women. Many of the diseases had cortisone and dexamethasone as a treatment. Cholesterol causes heart disease, statins and fibrsates are mentioned as the ideal drugs. One professor mentioned that we should put statins in the water supply... patients getting parenteral feedings (feedings via the vein)/ enteral feedings recieve wheat gluten as a protein source and soybean oil with added essential fatty acids to prevent deficiency..... These pateints are also getting propofol to stay sedated but the propofol is suspended in lipids, i.e. soy oil and essential fatty acids from egg yolks I think. Almost every patient is on an ssri. They get x rays multiple times a week as well as ct scans. Aspirin is outlawed, only nsaids like ibuprofen, celexa, naproxen are used, often in combo with narcotics and sedatives such as midazolam. To control blood pressure vassopressor analogues and synthetic adrenaline is used. So to put it this way, your extremely sick and you go to the hospital and get EFA’s, adrenaline, cortisol, serotonin, vassopressin, radiation, opiates, nsaids, diuretics and strong sedatives. Literally the antithesis of peat. I know this post morphed a bit, but this is the education i got in school: how to destroy somebody physically with the worst substances possible and indoctrination into these ridiculous belief systems around lbgtq, trans, minorities, women, immigrants, and muslims. All for $60,000/ year...

 

[LUH 3417]

@Kartoffel
I’m not here to argue, just to share. I graduated from University of Miami in 2017. I had a class called “health disparities” which actually was based on inequality of minorities in the healthcare system. My professor actually defined racism here as a systematic issue in which our current system creates an unfair disadvantage for minorities. We also had to discuss our gender pronouns... and we watched endless videos counting the deaths and discussing the deaths of both trans individuals and african americans killed by cops.... we had to go to a student production called “the tunnel of oppresion” for a grade, that discussed oppression of women, immigrants, african americans, muslims and trans/ homosexual individuals. I had to do an assignment to assess my privledge... because i was white on this assignment my privledge automatically went up a few points on the scale given in the assignment.

In my physiology class for nursing school they brought in trans individuals to speak to us about being trans. We had an entire class discussing sex changes. For context I was in the nursing program.

Yea my nursing school also pushed a huge trans agenda. I posted this elsewhere but a professor literally sent an email saying he would write you a letter of recommendation just for attending an LGBTQ event. Also note the libertine agenda before the French Revolution and how it compares to the state of affairs in the US now.
How can gender be different from sex? The etymology of gender is all about generative energy.

 

[LUH 3417]

You realize that the concept of 'right wing' and 'left wing' is simply an apparatus used by the ruling class to divide and more-easily conquer the surfs, right?

You realize fully embodied individuals are a threat to the ruling class, right? I mean left.

 

[DaveFoster]

" one of the most powerful speakers and greatest heroes of our time" lol

Seriously, this. It's a sad world.

 

[DaveFoster]

Of course conspiracies exist. What's your point? Where is the conspiracy here? Marxists secretely taking over the country?
You talk about the dangers of "the ruling class", but you apparently have no problem when Peterson is downplaying the influence of exactely that class (the 1%) by saying their concentration of wealth and power is just a natural process ("nothing to be done here guys"). The rapid increase in inequality was created and is the result of conscious policy choices. If you want to hear something on the matter from some real scientists, I recommend you read "Winnter-Take-All Politics" by Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson or "Affluence and Influence" by Martin Gilens.

It's deranged to pin all problems on the 1%. It's certainly reasonable to say that the top 0.001% control geopolitics.

 

[x-ray peat]

You realize that the concept of 'right wing' and 'left wing' is simply an apparatus used by the ruling class to divide and more-easily conquer the surfs, right?

exactly and fwiw Ray has talked about how the left and right dont mean anything anymore and both are controlled to further the interests of the ruling elite.
It's almost impossible to argue politics with someone who still thinks that these divisions mean anything as evidenced below.

Yes, the U.S. ruling class is full of marxists and socialists. Is this some form of satire I don't understand?

yes, but it's not satire.

@Kartoffel The New World Order would be 'socialism' in the same way that the existing system of governance in the United States today is 'democracy'. Both are lies, which are commonly believed by the public, and the underlying system of both would probably be more accurately described as totalitarianism.

or as feudalism

So why use the word socialism? It's misleading and counterproductive. By the way, there have been many countries that had socialist governments for decades, which are better off today than the U.S.. Sweden, Norway, Denmark all had socialist or social democratic governments, and they are all among the top countries for GDP/capita, standard of living, happiness, HDI, economic performance, social mobility, etc, and have much lower levels of economic inequality, crime, poverty and so on. Peterson recently started mentioning Wilkinson and Pikett a lot. Wilkinson once said: "If you want to live the American dream, go to Denmark"

Those countries are all capitalist countries that happen to have a large welfare system and significant wealth redistribution. They are not Socialist but rather Social Democracies, characterized by capitalism and private ownership of the means of production.

Socialism's primary feature is that the means of production are socialized or held by the state or by the workers. The USSR and Cuba are examples of socialist countries so @EndAllDisease's use of the word Socialism is actually correct. According to Marx, Communism can only occur after a long period of Socialism where the state eventually fades away. This of course is the sick joke as the State will never fade away and the ruling elite are left in charge.

 

[pimpnamedraypeat]

You realize that the concept of 'right wing' and 'left wing' is simply an apparatus used by the ruling class to divide and more-easily conquer the surfs, right?

Yes those crafty alohamati...

They even have their own magazine

 

[x-ray peat]

Amen. It's the Trump effect. It doesn't matter how stupid you arguments are, if you're just loud enough and have a clearly defined bogeyman (neo-marxists), lots of angry people will follow you.

It's funny how that same trick is used against the left as well but you dont see it. "Trump and the white supremacists are taking over; let's put on our pink p@ssy hats and have a march against White Privilege. blah blah blah." Interesting how both sides are using the same strategy. Perhaps there are no sides, just a fooled populace running around in circles seeing bogeymen everywhere but where they really are.

 

[LUH 3417]

It's funny how that same trick is used against the left as well but you dont see it. "Trump and the white supremacists are taking over; let's put on our pink p@ssy hats and have a march against White Privilege. blah blah blah." Interesting how both sides are using the same strategy. Perhaps there are no sides, just a fooled populace running around in circles seeing bogeymen everywhere but where they really are.

Isn't there an obvious connection between Women and the Left?

Throughout history women have been associated with the Left side. Interesting that neoliberal politics are so consumed with topics of women's liberation and women's health.

 

[x-ray peat]

Isn't there an obvious connection between Women and the Left?

Throughout history women have been associated with the Left side. Interesting that neoliberal politics are so consumed with topics of women's liberation and women's health.

Seems that way but it could be just clever marketing.

 

[LUH 3417]

Seems that way but it could be just clever marketing.

Engels and Marx referred to a natural order a lot. A natural order of things.

 

[x-ray peat]

Engels and Marx referred to a natural order a lot. A natural order of things.

I think that they just come up with these political groupings primarily to divide us. But yes there will be some groupings that appeal more to men and some more to women. However I would argue that they are all b.s.

The original political divide was between the rich and the poor. It always has been and always will be.