THE 5G CRISIS

[Cirion]

5g is just one of the final nails in the coffin of the health of humanity alongside purposeful PUFA pollution, carbohydrate fear mongering / caloric restrictions, docile employee mindsets, trying to turn everyone into SJW's, purposeful banning of incandescent light bulbs and replacement with horrid flourescents, flourides, bromides, xrays, vaccines... etc...

 

[peatforever2358]

5g is just one of the final nails in the coffin of the health of humanity alongside purposeful PUFA pollution, carbohydrate fear mongering / caloric restrictions, docile employee mindsets, trying to turn everyone into SJW's, purposeful banning of incandescent light bulbs and replacement with horrid flourescents, flourides, bromides, xrays, vaccines... etc...

AMEN
They gotta give you an MVP badge or some reps like the bodybuilding.com forums

 

[Cirion]

AMEN
They gotta give you an MVP badge or some reps like the bodybuilding.com forums

Lol thanks... I am accepting donations to patreon though kidding kidding... LOL

In all seriousness it's definitely a huge issue. I only became "Enlightened" if you will the last year or so. I realize now that time spent on my phone gives me brain fog, headaches... same with my router and other wireless devices. Now I barely use my phone and if I must call someone I use speaker phone rather than put it against my head.

 

[Fred]

The ultimate enemy is the government, which will bend the legal system in favor of the providers of 5G, even if it is demonstrated to be harmful (the guiding legal principle is called the Coase theorem, I believe). Instead of basing property rights on sensible things like self-ownership and original appropriation of previously unowned goods, property rights are based on subjective things like "what benefits society the most?" -- i.e. is it better to have 5G or have a couple of people maybe getting cancer here and there? And when there is money involved and a monopoly arbiter (i.e. the government) ... well, the answer is pretty predictable.
This is necessarily how the regulatory agencies work in the real world. Ray Peat gets this wrong.
Check out Hans Hoppe or Rothbard on the subject of property rights. Having a good understanding of this is going to be important if you want to fight for a successful solution to 5G and similar threats.

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

The ultimate enemy is the government, which will bend the legal system in favor of the providers of 5G, even if it is demonstrated to be harmful (the guiding legal principle is called the Coase theorem, I believe). Instead of basing property rights on sensible things like self-ownership and original appropriation of previously unowned goods, property rights are based on subjective things like "what benefits society the most?" -- i.e. is it better to have 5G or have a couple of people maybe getting cancer here and there? And when there is money involved and a monopoly arbiter (i.e. the government) ... well, the answer is pretty predictable.
This is necessarily how the regulatory agencies work in the real world. Ray Peat gets this wrong.
Check out Hans Hoppe or Rothbard on the subject of property rights. Having a good understanding of this is going to be important if you want to fight for a successful solution to 5G and similar threats.

I agree, except when you said that Ray is wrong on this. What makes you think that? As far as I know, he is aware of how companies and corporations are controlling the goverment with only their own possible gains in mind. I remember he even said something like "the agencies that should be regulating the corporations have been engulfed by them". Or maybe you're referring to something else?

 

[mujuro]

I remember he even said something like "the agencies that should be regulating the corporations have been engulfed by them".

Pretty much as I see it. America is an oligarchy. I believe there are still real Americans with a love of the Constitution, like Trey Gowdy, who are fighting to get it back, but they are not winning.

Iron law of oligarchy - Wikipedia

 

[Fred]

I agree, except when you said that Ray is wrong on this. What makes you think that? As far as I know, he is aware of how companies and corporations are controlling the goverment with only their own possible gains in mind. I remember he even said something like "the agencies that should be regulating the corporations have been engulfed by them". Or maybe you're referring to something else?

Ray is a little hard to pin down, but he seems to be some sort of communist/anarcho-communist/socialist? He has praised Marx and Kropotkin on several occasions, and another guy whose name escapes me who turned out to be a communist (I watched his videos on Youtube - Murray something?) and he agreed with Danny Roddy in an audio interview that people like Hoppe "have a reality problem".
He's right in the sense that corporations have engulfed regulatory agencies. But he is wrong if he thinks it could ever be any other way (i.e. if he advocates for "sensible regulations"). There will NEVER be a regulatory agency that lives up to its promises. They are monopolies and have no incentive to do anything other than enrich themselves and the people to whom they are connected.
In fact, I would bet that most regulatory agencies (if not all) are formed with the explicit goal of funneling money/power to certain favored groups/companies/individuals right from the outset. See, for example, "100 Years of Medical Robbery" by Dale Steinreich for a great (and relevant to this forum) example of how this works. All regulations necessarily serve to eliminate/reduce competition. It is naive to think that the people who benefit from regulations don't know this in advance.
Anyway, I highly recommend Hoppe if you're interested in fleshing this stuff out.

 

[tygertgr]

he seems to be some sort of communist/anarcho-communist/socialist? He has praised Marx and Kropotkin on several occasions

He repeatedly praises Stalin in his older books. He does it with narrative and slippery language such that there aren't "money quotes" to excerpt, but it's clear enough.

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

Ray is a little hard to pin down, but he seems to be some sort of communist/anarcho-communist/socialist? He has praised Marx and Kropotkin on several occasions, and another guy whose name escapes me who turned out to be a communist (I watched his videos on Youtube - Murray something?) and he agreed with Danny Roddy in an audio interview that people like Hoppe "have a reality problem".
He's right in the sense that corporations have engulfed regulatory agencies. But he is wrong if he thinks it could ever be any other way (i.e. if he advocates for "sensible regulations"). There will NEVER be a regulatory agency that lives up to its promises. They are monopolies and have no incentive to do anything other than enrich themselves and the people to whom they are connected.
In fact, I would bet that most regulatory agencies (if not all) are formed with the explicit goal of funneling money/power to certain favored groups/companies/individuals right from the outset. See, for example, "100 Years of Medical Robbery" by Dale Steinreich for a great (and relevant to this forum) example of how this works. All regulations necessarily serve to eliminate/reduce competition. It is naive to think that the people who benefit from regulations don't know this in advance.
Anyway, I highly recommend Hoppe if you're interested in fleshing this stuff out.

Yes, the system seems to be set up in a very smart and terrible way: you have taxes that they make you pay or else you get punished and the money definitely doesn't go all to public things or to better the lives of the population. Then there is propaganda that confuses everybody and causes people to get sick and rely on doctors, who milk their patients for money for long periods of time. Also, the goverment controls through its propaganda what is and what isn't common sense, so that effective, but alternative, ways to heal things and to see the human physiology, as well as its proponentes, are ridiculed, etc.

I believe Ray to be left-wing. He did, however, criticized the way politics, including( and maybe especially) the left, tends to be just a mask to fool people. He said something about how his father had a communist ideology and acted with positive principles in mind, but when Ray observed how the more political people behaved, it became clear to him that they weren't interested in common well-being or altruism or good virtues at all. I think this jives with what you said about monopolies: it seems like either the power of having control over the lives of many people makes one have psycopath tendencies, or maybe it's that psycopaths/ sick people are good at tricking others and then putting them in a situation of subordination.

Thanks for the reading suggestions. Also, I saw two videos on youtube about Hoppe( I believe his whole name is Hans-Hermann Hoppe) and I found his point of view regarding democracy very interesting, since I don't think I know even one person in real life that ever said something against it.

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

He repeatedly praises Stalin in his older books. He does it with narrative and slippery language such that there aren't "money quotes" to excerpt, but it's clear enough.

What did he say about Stalin?( I haven't read Ray's old works yet)

 

[Fred]

Yes, the system seems to be set up in a very smart and terrible way: you have taxes that they make you pay or else you get punished and the money definitely doesn't go all to public things or to better the lives of the population. Then there is propaganda that confuses everybody and causes people to get sick and rely on doctors, who milk their patients for money for long periods of time. Also, the goverment controls through its propaganda what is and what isn't common sense, so that effective, but alternative, ways to heal things and to see the human physiology, as well as its proponentes, are ridiculed, etc.

I believe Ray to be left-wing. He did, however, criticized the way politics, including( and maybe especially) the left, tends to be just a mask to fool people. He said something about how his father had a communist ideology and acted with positive principles in mind, but when Ray observed how the more political people behaved, it became clear to him that they weren't interested in common well-being or altruism or good virtues at all. I think this jives with what you said about monopolies: it seems like either the power of having control over the lives of many people makes one have psycopath tendencies, or maybe it's that psycopaths/ sick people are good at tricking others and then putting them in a situation of subordination.

Thanks for the reading suggestions. Also, I saw two videos on youtube about Hoppe( I believe his whole name is Hans-Hermann Hoppe) and I found his point of view regarding democracy very interesting, since I don't think I know even one person in real life that ever said something against it.

Check out Hans-Hermann Hoppe's video "Praxeology". This is a great introduction to the type of systematic thinking employed by Hoppe/Rothbard and most others in the "Austrian School". There are several versions of this presentation and they all have something slightly different to offer.

 

[Repas du soir]

The vast majority of studies have indicated that EMF in the radio and cellphone transmission ranges are not harmful to health. The physics on the subject are also rather well established. At the levels emitted by a typical cell tower, the waves only penetrate a millimeter into the skin. 5g, while emitting much more energy, uses a wave length which does not penetrate nearly as much. The notion that this is an untested experiment is misinformation, physicists are well employed in research devoted to assessing the effects of radiation and EMF emitted by products. The manufacturers of such products are want to do so, because understanding the potential health consequences of their products is essential to staying out of litigation which history has proven to be extremely costly for even minor health effects. For instance, the lady who spilled Mcdonalds coffee on her lap was awarded $10 million USD, for suffering scalding burns. The temperature at which the coffee was kept was lowered by 5 degrees.

I feel a bit better after reading that.

 

[Fred]

In a recent interview with Danny Roddy, Ray praised Murray Bookchin. I listened to Bookchin's 1975 lecture, and in less than 30 minutes, he attacked the division of labor, the production of a surplus of goods (i.e. savings), the idea of ownership (do we even own ourselves?), and even the idea of superior and inferior (not just with regard to people, mind you). Is Bookchin a communist, an anarcho-syndicalist, or what? Well, upon examination, I have found that all of these ideologies are confused and logically inconsistent, so it doesn't matter what you call him ... just call him confused.
What is really alarming, is that Ray subscribes to this stuff. He has clearly spent time thinking about these issues, and has come to a clearly incorrect conclusion. It makes me wonder if his ideas on biology/nutrition are confused. It doesn't seem like it, but I'm just a novice in this arena.

 

[Fred]

I feel a bit better after reading that.

But is it true? Ray has said that the fact that some types of radiation don't even go through a piece of paper just illustrates how much it interacts with the paper!!! Compare this with much of the radiation (and neutrinos, I believe) that come from outer space. Much of this radiation literally goes right through you without interacting at all ... like a magician pulling a tablecloth off a table without disturbing the glasses.
And the liability laws are sure to be different for 5G, as compared to McDonalds' -- see my comment above.

 

[Repas du soir]

In a recent interview with Danny Roddy, Ray praised Murray Bookchin. I listened to Bookchin's 1975 lecture, and in less than 30 minutes, he attacked the division of labor, the production of a surplus of goods (i.e. savings), the idea of ownership (do we even own ourselves?), and even the idea of superior and inferior (not just with regard to people, mind you). Is Bookchin a communist, an anarcho-syndicalist, or what? Well, upon examination, I have found that all of these ideologies are confused and logically inconsistent, so it doesn't matter what you call him ... just call him confused.
What is really alarming, is that Ray subscribes to this stuff. He has clearly spent time thinking about these issues, and has come to a clearly incorrect conclusion. It makes me wonder if his ideas on biology/nutrition are confused. It doesn't seem like it, but I'm just a novice in this arena.

Nobody is perfect. Ray is much smarter than me, but I think even intelligent people can be wrong about a lot of stuff. Especially when it comes to abstract subjects such as ideology, politics, or philosophy. Just think about all the professors in this world who clearly must have some level of intelligence to become an academic, yet they believe in crazy stuff.

Sometimes I wonder if people, for some reason, are just attracted subconsciously to certain ideas because it reflects something inside them, and then they rationalize those ideas to be correct after the fact. Because especially regarding politics, there seems to be patterns where certain groups are more likely to fall into political categories. I know I'm generalizing here, but why do women tend to be more left-leaning in their beliefs, while men tend to be more conservative? Maybe it's biology affecting thoughts, maybe it's class status, or maybe it's environment.

Maybe left-wing beliefs were considered more edgy back in Peat's time, while today it's more edgy to be right-wing. I know that sounds silly, but I think some people can be attracted to ideas just because they are slightly taboo or goes against the grain.

 

[Fred]

Nobody is perfect. Ray is much smarter than me, but I think even intelligent people can be wrong about a lot of stuff. Especially when it comes to abstract subjects such as ideology, politics, or philosophy. Just think about all the professors in this world who clearly must have some level of intelligence to become an academic, yet they believe in crazy stuff.

Sometimes I wonder if people, for some reason, are just attracted subconsciously to certain ideas because it reflects something inside them, and then they rationalize those ideas to be correct after the fact. Because especially regarding politics, there seems to be patterns where certain groups are more likely to fall into political categories. I know I'm generalizing here, but why do women tend to be more left-leaning in their beliefs, while men tend to be more conservative? Maybe it's biology affecting thoughts, maybe it's class status, or maybe it's environment.

Maybe left-wing beliefs were considered more edgy back in Peat's time, while today it's more edgy to be right-wing. I know that sounds silly, but I think some people can be attracted to ideas just because they are slightly taboo or goes against the grain.

True. Einstein wrote a pamphlet entitled "Why Socialism" even though many of the fatal logical/philosophical flaws of socialism had been know for decades at the time. But clearly Einstein excelled at physics, so we can't use his pamphlet as a strike against him. Although, I wonder if Einstein would have written that pamphlet if he had better access to information, as we do today. Ray has less of an excuse than Einstein for getting this wrong, because economics as a science has been "done" for many decades now, AND the internet exists.

 

[ecstatichamster]

In a recent interview with Danny Roddy, Ray praised Murray Bookchin. I listened to Bookchin's 1975 lecture, and in less than 30 minutes, he attacked the division of labor, the production of a surplus of goods (i.e. savings), the idea of ownership (do we even own ourselves?), and even the idea of superior and inferior (not just with regard to people, mind you). Is Bookchin a communist, an anarcho-syndicalist, or what? Well, upon examination, I have found that all of these ideologies are confused and logically inconsistent, so it doesn't matter what you call him ... just call him confused.
What is really alarming, is that Ray subscribes to this stuff. He has clearly spent time thinking about these issues, and has come to a clearly incorrect conclusion. It makes me wonder if his ideas on biology/nutrition are confused. It doesn't seem like it, but I'm just a novice in this arena.

My theory is that Dr. Peat grew up in a communist home (literally, communist), and he is a communist. He went to USSR sometime in the 1960s and probably thinks it was wonderful.

This is a particular form of blindness that strikes in an area where we are subject to dogmatism.

I love Hoppe, Murray Rothbard and others. The Non Aggression Principle, which is the backbone of true libertarian thinking, is to me common sense like the Golden Rule.

Communism is control over our lives and the diminution of freedom in favor of controllers/masters. This is what we do not want. I think Danny Roddy was swayed by his infinite respect for Dr. Peat in the interview he did some time ago with the good doctor.

Anyway, 5G is alarming but I doubt there is much we can do about it. I think what makes it so is this. Unlike cell towers, which are political and difficult to install and a big deal in the community, 5G transceivers are probably quite small and can be piggybacked on existing utility easements. There is no hope that it will be stopped, IMHO.

We should instead think of how we can protect our persons.

 

[tygertgr]

Einstein wrote a pamphlet.

Einstein was deeply embedded in a highly political cabal way before he arrived in America. There are a lot of criticisms that his achievements in physics are overblown because this same cabal promoted him for their cause.

 

[LiveWire]

Isn’t this all overblown?

Isn’t the much higher 5G antenna density more than off set by the fact that they are a lot weaker than the 4G masts?

Isn’t 5G a lot like wifi? That wifi that we’ve been exposed to massively for decades now, and still no verifiable harm.

 

[yerrag]

Isn’t this all overblown?

Isn’t the much higher 5G antenna density more than off set by the fact that they are a lot weaker than the 4G masts?

Isn’t 5G a lot like wifi? That wifi that we’ve been exposed to massively for decades now, and still no verifiable harm.

How is harm verified? EPA says glyphosates are safe. CDC says vaccines are harmless. Aha says PUFAs are essential. These are verified?