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The complexity boils down to do not consume it without food on an empty stomach.
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mamaherrera said:so you're saying you avoided the ones that caused you bloating???? I want to eventually get my body used to eating everything. . . . I thought if I keep eating the ones that bother me, my body will eventually get used to them.
mamaherrera said:I am doing lots of gelatin, but if gelatine is not being digested either, how is it going to help me?? If I keep at all these foods, even if one is bothering me, will my body eventually adapt?? I think I'll try lactose free milk and keep at the gelatin, salt, and taurine???? That's in gelatin no, so I dont need a supplement.
Ray Peat said:There are several prescription drugs that protect against serotonin excess, but thyroid and gelatin (or glycine, as in magnesium glycinate) are protective against the serotonin and melatonin toxicities http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/aging-eyes.shtml
Note: HCL should never be taken (and this test should not be performed) by anyone
who is also using any kind of anti-inflammatory medication such as corticosteroids
(e.g. predisone), aspirin, Indocin, ibuprofen (e.g. Motrin, Advil, etc.) or other NSAIDS.
These drugs can damage the GI lining that supplementary HCL might aggravate,
increasing the risk of gastric bleeding or ulcer.
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Although I prefer obtaining nutrients from food whenever possible, , as I explained
above, supplements are sometimes necessary – especially for short periods.
Deglycyrrhizinated licorice (DGL) has been shown to be effective in treating gastric and
duodenal ulcers, and works as well in this regard as Tagamet or Zantac, with far fewer
side effects and no undesirable acid suppression. In animal studies, DGL has even been
shown to protect the stomach lining against damage caused by aspirin and other
NSAIDs.
DGL works by raising the concentration of compounds called prostaglandins, which
promote mucous secretion, stabilize cell membranes, and stimulate new cell growth – all
of which contributes to a healthy gut lining. Both chronic stress and use of NSAIDs
suppress prostaglandin production, so it is vital for anyone dealing with any type of
digestive problem (including GERD) to find ways to manage their stress and avoid the use
of NSAIDs as much as possible.
honeybee said:I use hcl supplements with good results-my hair stops shedding and my fingernails are losing ridges. It's noticable. Increased age (I'm mid 40s)supposedly corresponds with a lowered hcl and bad digestion blah blah . So if you can "fix" your digestive issues and/or you are younger than 40, then you probably produce enough hcl. BUT if you have tried a lot of things and are in the long haul of correcting hypothyroid which should in turn correct digestion, this could be awhile in coming. Then you might find hcl useful for a short time frame. Just my experience. It's a tool.
ttramone said:I've had the opposite with aspirin. Before Peating, I had quite bad acid reflux, which improved and now has gone. I was taking aspirin the whole time. So it did not seem to affect me negatively at all. I'm on about gram a day now (pure form, completely dissolved in hot water). I used to take it on an empty stomach, but now usually after a meal with the haidut mix of caffeine and B3. From Asprin, brain and cancer:
Until the 1950s and 1960s, when new products were being promoted, little was said about the possibility of stomach ulceration from aspirin. Lately, there has been more publicity about the damage it can do to the stomach and intestine, much of it in connection with the sale of the new "COX-2 inhibitors." (These new drugs, rather than protecting the circulatory system as aspirin does, damage it.) Aspirin rapidly breaks down into acetic acid and salicylic acid (which is found in many fruits), and salicylic acid is protective to the stomach and intestine, and other organs. When aspirin was compared with the other common antiinflammatory drugs, it was found that the salicylic acid it releases protects against the damage done by another drug. (Takeuchi, et al, 2001; Ligumsky, et al., 1985.) Repeated use of aspirin protects the stomach against very strong irritants. The
experiments in which aspirin produces stomach ulcers are designed to produce ulcers, not to realistically model the way aspirin is used.
Of course, if you take aspirin and it irritates your stomach, then stop taking it. But it actually could be useful - maybe taken with food and fully dissolved. I started small and worked my way up.
I found bone broth worked far more effectively than gelatin/hydrolysed collagen with healing my gut issues. I really recommend it.
So far the best premise is to do everything to stimulate thyroid, which in turn increases acid production and helps fight SIBO and similar digestive issues.
From what I've read we need Vitamin b6 and zinc to make stomach acid. Sodium chloride and potassium chloride are the main two components; so adequate salt and potassium.
From the magnesium thread:
Magnesium Deficiency, A Brief Review
Low magnesium causes an improper use of vitamin b1, which causes low stomach acid. So Vitamin b1 is important for stomach acid production and needs magnesium for this function.
Magnesium is also needed for proper thyroid function, as well as iodine, selenium, vitamin a, zinc, etc.
Interestingly pork chops are high in vitamin b6, zinc and vitamin b1 and for a meat are pretty high in potassium, with about 10% magnesium. However higher in omega 6 pufas; I think 2-3 grams per 100ish grams of meat. I try to cook them so the fat comes out and either ditch the fat or let it settle; the saturated rises to the top as a white lard and the pufa/monosaturated sit under and is orangeish and can be discarded.
I have had great success Concentrace magnesium from Monno. 2.6 ml contains 260 mg of magnesium. However it does contain contaminates like a sea salt would. It is the concentrated minerals from the sea salt lake in Utah I believe, with the sodium removed. I believe it is magnesium chloride then? I am trying to figure out which type so I can buy a cheaper source of it and add it to water. I combine this with a lot of salt, as salt helps retain magnesium. I find it very calming and soothing, causing very deep relaxing sleeps.
I have had great difficulty with other magnesium supplements, especially citrate; citrate causing extreme irritability and aggression.
Interestingly you can find that mineral-rich spring waters can have a lot of magnesium; some 300mg per liter, and some even 600mg per liter.
I had difficulty increasing calcium with it causing inferior digestion, while this magnesium has greatly increased motility and superiority of it. Combining magnesium with calcium appears to be the best. Displaced calcium and even inefficient absorption come up with studying low magnesium in relation to calcium. Based on the spring water data it would then make sense that cultures/tribes with high calcium probably had very high magnesium diets too; their water alone would provide quite a bit.
Apple cider vinegar is very helpful, but hard on the teeth. Mixing it with some water helps dilute this and eating cheese after helps remineralize the teeth. However apple cider vinegar also increases potassium loss and I assume other minerals, as well as lowering blood sugar. So compensating with these would seem useful, especially in large doses. I read one German case of a woman who was having up to 500ml of apple cider vinegar daily over a prolonged period; diluted in water, who developed extremely low potassium as a result.
You can also read that bitters help stimulate stomach acid. The most economical source seems to be dandelion and the key is to chew on them as long and thoroughly as possible. This brings us back to making sure we chew our food thoroughly to help in the digestive process. Protein consumption appears to increase stomach acid more than anything and interestingly low protein is a key component of a slow thyroid.
I am studying this more, but came across this quote in this link:
Food Combining – Jeremy E. Kaslow, M.D.
"Sugars inhibit the secretion of the hydrochloric acid in the stomach."
This is rather interesting if true, as it makes sense; if bitters increase stomach acid, then the opposite would decrease it.
However more study is needed to verify all the details. In the link he states that sugars/starches do not require much stomach acid to digest and that too much is counter-productive when digesting them; that is a unique claim that I will study more.
He recommends consuming sugars/starches on their own. Proteins and fats separately with something like apple cider vinegar.
So it seems so far what is needed is faster thyroid, salt, potassium, b6, zinc, b1, magnesium, coffee, taurine, proteins; especially gelatin, some apple cider vinegar and less water with meals.
Milk and cheese are high ph, so hypothyroid would have difficulty with them.
Exercise wise, walking before and after meals would be helpful. I have found the days I train I have the best digestion and the day after the training. High intensity burst training to build more muscle and lung strength. Sweating as much as possible. Sauna therapy also is very helpful; dangerous if excess sweat isn't countered with water, salt and the other vitals; coconut water is the best, far superior to gatorade.
I wonder what else there is to boost stomach acid.