Aleeri
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*For the sake of this discussion, let's oversee that it's an addictive substance. I've had no cravings so for me I seem to be able to use it reasonably. I smoked 1 year when I was 20 so I know the feeling.*
I've been experimenting with Swedish snus (oral tobacco) for about half a year now on and off. As few are aware Swedish snus is steamed and not heat fermented which minimizes nitrosamine production, basically making it the safest tobacco product on the market from a cancer perspective. In fact, there is not much research to say that Swedish snus would be bad in any regard, anyway let's carry on.
It is clear that nicotine and caffeine are similar in many ways. Both are stimulating, promote wakefulness, increase dopamine and hence motivation, increase energy expenditure and AMPK activators etc.
Both seem to have an adaptation period where they can trigger stress response with increased cortisol, especially with increased dosage, but prolonged chronic use will normalize this effect but leave the metabolic benefits.
I have noticed that for example 1mg daily (1 snus) is not enough to normalize the nicotine-induced stress response for me, I need to get up into the 3mg (3 snus) or more daily for this to work. Otherwise, I notice hyperactivity and adrenaline after the first 10min dopamine rush.
What interests me is that using tobacco seems to be one of the most reliable ways of increasing resting heart rate for me. I've been tracking resting heart rate for the last year using Fitbit charge. During periods of tobacco use, there is a clear increase in my resting heart rate and the only time which actually gets me into the 70-80 range resting. Without I've been stuck in the 63-66 range.
There is also research that nicotine helps reverse some of the mental side effects of hypothyroidism which is interesting.
What do you guys think about using tobacco as a short-term way of bringing the metabolic rate up?
Waste of time since it might just go back to baseline when you stop? (like when smokers quit and often put on weight etc)
Do you think the initial stress response period of adaptation (cortisol/adrenaline release) does more harm than the substance do good in the longer term?
To me, it seems so similar to caffeine but stronger and shorter acting.
https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/28-proven-health-benefits-nicotine-4-potential-risks/
I've been experimenting with Swedish snus (oral tobacco) for about half a year now on and off. As few are aware Swedish snus is steamed and not heat fermented which minimizes nitrosamine production, basically making it the safest tobacco product on the market from a cancer perspective. In fact, there is not much research to say that Swedish snus would be bad in any regard, anyway let's carry on.
It is clear that nicotine and caffeine are similar in many ways. Both are stimulating, promote wakefulness, increase dopamine and hence motivation, increase energy expenditure and AMPK activators etc.
Both seem to have an adaptation period where they can trigger stress response with increased cortisol, especially with increased dosage, but prolonged chronic use will normalize this effect but leave the metabolic benefits.
I have noticed that for example 1mg daily (1 snus) is not enough to normalize the nicotine-induced stress response for me, I need to get up into the 3mg (3 snus) or more daily for this to work. Otherwise, I notice hyperactivity and adrenaline after the first 10min dopamine rush.
What interests me is that using tobacco seems to be one of the most reliable ways of increasing resting heart rate for me. I've been tracking resting heart rate for the last year using Fitbit charge. During periods of tobacco use, there is a clear increase in my resting heart rate and the only time which actually gets me into the 70-80 range resting. Without I've been stuck in the 63-66 range.
There is also research that nicotine helps reverse some of the mental side effects of hypothyroidism which is interesting.
What do you guys think about using tobacco as a short-term way of bringing the metabolic rate up?
Waste of time since it might just go back to baseline when you stop? (like when smokers quit and often put on weight etc)
Do you think the initial stress response period of adaptation (cortisol/adrenaline release) does more harm than the substance do good in the longer term?
To me, it seems so similar to caffeine but stronger and shorter acting.
https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/28-proven-health-benefits-nicotine-4-potential-risks/