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I’ve come to experimenting with Dr. Peats ideas from a Paleo/low carb/anti-candida experiment. Ray is god send and your discussion have been tremendously helpful in implementing his ideas. So, thank you to everyone on this forum.
I can see how Dr. Peat’s protocols wonderfully address the complete physiology of a person. Still, for those of us looking for help with their digestive troubles, there is only little to help. Most information are scattered and conflicting at times. Don’t see many people coming to RP from the candida route. I decided to start this thread for the purpose of expanding a little on the holistic interpretations of Dr. Peat’s work so that they could be beautifully applied to a resolve digestive disorders. Therefore, I’d like to share my experiences and thoughts. Also, I’d like to get your perspective, as well.
I’ve been gradually experimenting with RP’s guidelines for less than a month. At the beginning, it was great. Last few days I’ve had terrible digestion – gas, bloating. I can partially blame Dr. Mercola’s unnecessary use of guar gum in his products. Still, I find it difficult to stick to Ray Peats protocol on an impaired digestive system.
Thyroid
I’ve been able to take my temperature and heartbeat to near optimal levels rather quickly (i.e. 75-95pbm and 97-98.6f). Pulse feels more on the sluggish side compared to temp. Hopefully I can maintain this and improve upon it. I think it’s the milk, sugar, salt that did the trick for me. Have not started any medication yet. I think cynoplus is on the way.
I can feel that there’s pressure where my thyroid glands are. Can anybody relate to this.
Mood
On a low-carb diet I felt worn out most of the time but I was adapted to the feeling. This could be related to the adaptive stress proposition of Dr. Peat. Sleep was never enough.
On a peat diet I feel much better but I could easily be irritated. Actually, It’s not that I don’t find things to irritate me on paleo. It just wouldn't be physiologically possible go from feeling worst to worse. Sleep is also much better now.
Sometimes when my mood is down, some quick sugar fixes it. Is it that I’m not taking enough sugar?
Hair loss.
Too much stress, exercise, bad dieting and the screwed up sleep must have been to blame. However, on a not-so-strict paleo I’ve been doing able to improve my hairline in the past few months. Unfortunately, after trying RP’s ideas I can see that shedding have increase. This is combined with feeling extraordinarily sexually aroused. This could be the sign of excess estrogen (i.e. shift in hormones).
On a side note, I’m speculating that my hair loss could be due to lack of either or both sunlight and vitamin D. The time when I started paleo, I used to suntan often. Now it’s winter, I don’t get much sunlight. Does anyone have good thoughts on this.
Water
How bad is fluorinated water really. Should it be avoided like the plague. I can’t seem to get any non-fluorinated water here. Unless it’s Evian and other expensive imported bottles.
Coffee
Feels great no doubt. I’ve not had much trouble with it at the start but as with everything else, the more my digestive system deteriorates, the less pleasant it becomes.
Orange Juice
This is definitely one of the greatest of Ray Peat’s recommendation. I had not much trouble with it when I started Peating. However, when my stomach’s health started deteriorating again, very recently, I could see the problem with pectin. No matter how much I filter the juice using fine cloth and plastic meshes I don’t seem to be able to get rid of it completely.
Some quick search shows that pectinase could bind to the pectin and they’d precipitate making filtration easier. Problem with pectinase is that it’s a microbial product. Possibly from the same species is used to make the microbial rennet for cheese making (i.e. Aspergillus niger) .
Dr. Peat seems not to be in favor Microbial enzyme food processing. Obviously for a good reason.
Some more on enzymes and orange juice
viewtopic.php?t=489
Ice Cream / Guar Gum
This is absolutely a terrible additive. It’s also unnecessary. Does more harm than good. A brief research shows that this is a type of fiber. Added as a thicker or gelling agent to foods. You’d find it in Ice Creams (e.g. Baskin Robbins), some coconut milk/creamcans (even organic ones) and Mercloa “Premium” Products . Surprising that some health foods have this. It isn't necessarily allergenic. However, it definitely overfeeds the wrong ***holes down there (i.e. more endotoxins)
Luckily, Haagen Dazs does not have guar gum
Cheese
I’ve been a big fan of Kerrygold for a while now. They make cheese from grass fed cow’s milk and it tastes great. At the beginning, when I started to have improved digestion from low-carbing and anti-fungal treatments, I sensed a little irritability eating the cheese. I thought this could be from the lactose intolerance (i.e. cheese would still retain trace amounts of lactose relative to preparation method and age). That made sense as I have developed lactose intolerance after gastrointestinal infection/antibacterial course.
I tried a little Kerrygold cheese after my stomach started a getting a little worse on the Peat’s protocol. I can tell it’s mildly irritating. This is where I can relate to the Microbal rennet Dr. Peat despises of. See viewtopic.php?t=2529
Lesson: when it comes to Kerrygold, just stick to the butter.
Milk
I’ve been consuming little raw dairy on my paleo days. I’d say that it helped my digestion a little Unfortunately I can’t get my hands on it often (although it’s mostly grain fed). So I decided to experiment with commercial fresh milk. I started drinking large amounts of it. It was surprising to see that I’m no longer lactose intolerant. Also, I was lucky to find one brand that does not seem to be allergenic to me. This proves Dr. Rays theory that some people can resolve lactose-intolerance by consuming more milk.
Problem with commercial milk is the added vitamin that are of questionable quality
Raw milk is the best bet. Ideally grass-fed. Would skim the cream if weightwatching.
Sugar
Initially it felt great. It was surprising that it gave me no digestive problems. This is probably since it doesn't have fiber in it and therefore does not feed the basterdia. However, when my digestive system got a little sensitive, I felt the extra sugar did not help.
PUFA
The nuts should be almost eliminated
How much olive oil would be tolerable. Them Italians and Medertanian Arabs seem to have no trouble abusing it.
Supplements:
Fish oil
The fish oil is definitely a bunch of crap. Yes, this is one time when l should bash the stinky tar and take a moment of silence to think about that damage I've done abusing it for years. Coming to seriously think about it I’ve not found any observable positive effects of using fish oil. While It’s been part of my diet for long, I still have developed troubling health issues. I’d bet that good experiences with fish oil reported by people are from the placebo effect. This applies to the krill oil, too.
Ditch ‘em all
Aspirin
Ordered some Life Extension enteric coated generic pills. They seem to have too many toxic and unnecessary fillings.
Found some Bayer at the local pharmacy.
Dose: 0.3Mg.
Composition: Acetylsalicylic acid
Essential inactive ingredients: none
Does this guarantee purity. I could still see some starchy bits at the bottom of the glass after dissolving in warm water.
Also, when I took this the first time my stomach was already irritated but I felt the aspirin added insult to injury.
Could it be the dose? Or should I take for few days until my stomach adapts as Dr. Peat Suggested.
Also, some tear and wear shows that my blood is thinner, now. Should I supplement with Vitamin K, perhaps.
Light therapy
I’ve been sun tanning this year; which I think is greatly beneficial to overall health. Ray’s suggesting light therapy seems to make sense. I’d love to experience with indoor light therapy.
Vitamin E
I’ve been rubbing the contents of 1 capsule of Dr. Mercola’s vitamin s on my wrists. I remember that Dr. Peat Doesn’t recommend taking vitamins the oral route.
Any thoughts on this. Anyone experimented with this brand.
I’ve seen some recommendations of soy-derived vitamin E supplements. What about the estrogenic properties of soy.
B vitamins
I’m finding it really difficult to put all the pieces together when it comes to B vitamins. I've seen Dr. Peat recommend different B vitamins in different scenarios. I thought why not supplement with a complex. Then I found that It’d be wiser to only supplement with one that’s condition-specific.
I find that B12 helped a little with slight Carotenemia I developed from eating too much carrots at the start of my experiment.
Not sure which would to start with and how to experiment with them.
Vitamin A and vitamin D and Calcium
I’ve listed these three together because they seem to be highly correlated
Vitamin D: It’s seems as if skin application is better than the oral route.
Vitamin A: It was mentioned that Dr. Peat related Dandruff and acne to a vitamin A deficiency.
Vitamin A seems to be in all commercially produced milk. I've read that cheap forms are used by the dairy industry to supplement their products. Do you think I’s therefore unwise to drink grocery store milk.
What would necessitate supplementing with vitamin A.
Calcium: Dr. Peat suggests getting the necessary calcium from drinking milk. He also suggest supplementing with Eggshell/Oyster shell powders if necessary. Would it be wiser to use powders instead of milk for the digestively-impaired. What other intake variables to consider.
Vitamin K
There’s one very important question here. Vitamin K in supplemental forms seems to be a bacterial byproduct. What about bacterial toxins. What’s the take on the safety of Vitamin K supplements.
I found it to be slightly irritating to take Life Extension Vitamin K. Especially, when my digestive system is extra sensitive.
Vitex
Does anyone have a valuable experience to share . I've got some but not experimented with it much.
In my health case, I used to love chicken and chips(PUFA) since I was a kid. Rice was a main source of food (estrogen). PUFA ruled out everything else at home because it was cheap and the already scarce animal fats was getting bad publicity (PUFA). Everything we buy is in plastic (Estrogen). Also, I was addicted to anything that has wheat In it. I don’t have problem with gluten but additives to flour and the commercial yeasts used in banking are definitely terrible.
Gynocomestia developed at 10 years old. I was obese at 38% fat at some point. This indicates liver problems. Impaired liver can’t recycle estrogen properly. It’s also an indicator of NAFLD. Hair loss started in late college. All this indicated of liver problems according to Dr. Peat.
Digestive problems acquired last about 2 years ago after a gastrointestinal infection and an anti-biotic treatment. Impaired digestion also correlated with impaired liver. Stopped dairy. After a while I quickly developed shoulder injury. Back hurts bad from sitting bad at work. At the start of 2014 my whole body was in constant state of inflammation.
The funny thing is. I was always uber health conscious. Exercise regularly. Watch my calories. Eat whole grains, salad every day, yogurt, raw broccoli, supplement with fish oil and multivitamins.
I was able to fix these issues to some extent in the past year. That’s where I thought paleo is working. Now I think it’s the anti-fungal experiments maybe helping control endotoxins.
While I could definitely see where the Ray Peat protocol shines, the worsening digestive troubles makes me peat my head against the wall.
I’d like you to share your thoughts and experiences with me, please. Whatever you can relate to what I discussed above.
I can see how Dr. Peat’s protocols wonderfully address the complete physiology of a person. Still, for those of us looking for help with their digestive troubles, there is only little to help. Most information are scattered and conflicting at times. Don’t see many people coming to RP from the candida route. I decided to start this thread for the purpose of expanding a little on the holistic interpretations of Dr. Peat’s work so that they could be beautifully applied to a resolve digestive disorders. Therefore, I’d like to share my experiences and thoughts. Also, I’d like to get your perspective, as well.
I’ve been gradually experimenting with RP’s guidelines for less than a month. At the beginning, it was great. Last few days I’ve had terrible digestion – gas, bloating. I can partially blame Dr. Mercola’s unnecessary use of guar gum in his products. Still, I find it difficult to stick to Ray Peats protocol on an impaired digestive system.
Thyroid
I’ve been able to take my temperature and heartbeat to near optimal levels rather quickly (i.e. 75-95pbm and 97-98.6f). Pulse feels more on the sluggish side compared to temp. Hopefully I can maintain this and improve upon it. I think it’s the milk, sugar, salt that did the trick for me. Have not started any medication yet. I think cynoplus is on the way.
I can feel that there’s pressure where my thyroid glands are. Can anybody relate to this.
Mood
On a low-carb diet I felt worn out most of the time but I was adapted to the feeling. This could be related to the adaptive stress proposition of Dr. Peat. Sleep was never enough.
On a peat diet I feel much better but I could easily be irritated. Actually, It’s not that I don’t find things to irritate me on paleo. It just wouldn't be physiologically possible go from feeling worst to worse. Sleep is also much better now.
Sometimes when my mood is down, some quick sugar fixes it. Is it that I’m not taking enough sugar?
Hair loss.
Too much stress, exercise, bad dieting and the screwed up sleep must have been to blame. However, on a not-so-strict paleo I’ve been doing able to improve my hairline in the past few months. Unfortunately, after trying RP’s ideas I can see that shedding have increase. This is combined with feeling extraordinarily sexually aroused. This could be the sign of excess estrogen (i.e. shift in hormones).
On a side note, I’m speculating that my hair loss could be due to lack of either or both sunlight and vitamin D. The time when I started paleo, I used to suntan often. Now it’s winter, I don’t get much sunlight. Does anyone have good thoughts on this.
Water
How bad is fluorinated water really. Should it be avoided like the plague. I can’t seem to get any non-fluorinated water here. Unless it’s Evian and other expensive imported bottles.
Coffee
Feels great no doubt. I’ve not had much trouble with it at the start but as with everything else, the more my digestive system deteriorates, the less pleasant it becomes.
Orange Juice
This is definitely one of the greatest of Ray Peat’s recommendation. I had not much trouble with it when I started Peating. However, when my stomach’s health started deteriorating again, very recently, I could see the problem with pectin. No matter how much I filter the juice using fine cloth and plastic meshes I don’t seem to be able to get rid of it completely.
Some quick search shows that pectinase could bind to the pectin and they’d precipitate making filtration easier. Problem with pectinase is that it’s a microbial product. Possibly from the same species is used to make the microbial rennet for cheese making (i.e. Aspergillus niger) .
Dr. Peat seems not to be in favor Microbial enzyme food processing. Obviously for a good reason.
Some more on enzymes and orange juice
viewtopic.php?t=489
Ice Cream / Guar Gum
This is absolutely a terrible additive. It’s also unnecessary. Does more harm than good. A brief research shows that this is a type of fiber. Added as a thicker or gelling agent to foods. You’d find it in Ice Creams (e.g. Baskin Robbins), some coconut milk/creamcans (even organic ones) and Mercloa “Premium” Products . Surprising that some health foods have this. It isn't necessarily allergenic. However, it definitely overfeeds the wrong ***holes down there (i.e. more endotoxins)
Luckily, Haagen Dazs does not have guar gum
Cheese
I’ve been a big fan of Kerrygold for a while now. They make cheese from grass fed cow’s milk and it tastes great. At the beginning, when I started to have improved digestion from low-carbing and anti-fungal treatments, I sensed a little irritability eating the cheese. I thought this could be from the lactose intolerance (i.e. cheese would still retain trace amounts of lactose relative to preparation method and age). That made sense as I have developed lactose intolerance after gastrointestinal infection/antibacterial course.
I tried a little Kerrygold cheese after my stomach started a getting a little worse on the Peat’s protocol. I can tell it’s mildly irritating. This is where I can relate to the Microbal rennet Dr. Peat despises of. See viewtopic.php?t=2529
Lesson: when it comes to Kerrygold, just stick to the butter.
Milk
I’ve been consuming little raw dairy on my paleo days. I’d say that it helped my digestion a little Unfortunately I can’t get my hands on it often (although it’s mostly grain fed). So I decided to experiment with commercial fresh milk. I started drinking large amounts of it. It was surprising to see that I’m no longer lactose intolerant. Also, I was lucky to find one brand that does not seem to be allergenic to me. This proves Dr. Rays theory that some people can resolve lactose-intolerance by consuming more milk.
Problem with commercial milk is the added vitamin that are of questionable quality
Raw milk is the best bet. Ideally grass-fed. Would skim the cream if weightwatching.
Sugar
Initially it felt great. It was surprising that it gave me no digestive problems. This is probably since it doesn't have fiber in it and therefore does not feed the basterdia. However, when my digestive system got a little sensitive, I felt the extra sugar did not help.
PUFA
The nuts should be almost eliminated
How much olive oil would be tolerable. Them Italians and Medertanian Arabs seem to have no trouble abusing it.
Supplements:
Fish oil
The fish oil is definitely a bunch of crap. Yes, this is one time when l should bash the stinky tar and take a moment of silence to think about that damage I've done abusing it for years. Coming to seriously think about it I’ve not found any observable positive effects of using fish oil. While It’s been part of my diet for long, I still have developed troubling health issues. I’d bet that good experiences with fish oil reported by people are from the placebo effect. This applies to the krill oil, too.
Ditch ‘em all
Aspirin
Ordered some Life Extension enteric coated generic pills. They seem to have too many toxic and unnecessary fillings.
Found some Bayer at the local pharmacy.
Dose: 0.3Mg.
Composition: Acetylsalicylic acid
Essential inactive ingredients: none
Does this guarantee purity. I could still see some starchy bits at the bottom of the glass after dissolving in warm water.
Also, when I took this the first time my stomach was already irritated but I felt the aspirin added insult to injury.
Could it be the dose? Or should I take for few days until my stomach adapts as Dr. Peat Suggested.
Also, some tear and wear shows that my blood is thinner, now. Should I supplement with Vitamin K, perhaps.
Light therapy
I’ve been sun tanning this year; which I think is greatly beneficial to overall health. Ray’s suggesting light therapy seems to make sense. I’d love to experience with indoor light therapy.
Vitamin E
I’ve been rubbing the contents of 1 capsule of Dr. Mercola’s vitamin s on my wrists. I remember that Dr. Peat Doesn’t recommend taking vitamins the oral route.
Any thoughts on this. Anyone experimented with this brand.
I’ve seen some recommendations of soy-derived vitamin E supplements. What about the estrogenic properties of soy.
B vitamins
I’m finding it really difficult to put all the pieces together when it comes to B vitamins. I've seen Dr. Peat recommend different B vitamins in different scenarios. I thought why not supplement with a complex. Then I found that It’d be wiser to only supplement with one that’s condition-specific.
I find that B12 helped a little with slight Carotenemia I developed from eating too much carrots at the start of my experiment.
Not sure which would to start with and how to experiment with them.
Vitamin A and vitamin D and Calcium
I’ve listed these three together because they seem to be highly correlated
Vitamin D: It’s seems as if skin application is better than the oral route.
Vitamin A: It was mentioned that Dr. Peat related Dandruff and acne to a vitamin A deficiency.
Vitamin A seems to be in all commercially produced milk. I've read that cheap forms are used by the dairy industry to supplement their products. Do you think I’s therefore unwise to drink grocery store milk.
What would necessitate supplementing with vitamin A.
Calcium: Dr. Peat suggests getting the necessary calcium from drinking milk. He also suggest supplementing with Eggshell/Oyster shell powders if necessary. Would it be wiser to use powders instead of milk for the digestively-impaired. What other intake variables to consider.
Vitamin K
There’s one very important question here. Vitamin K in supplemental forms seems to be a bacterial byproduct. What about bacterial toxins. What’s the take on the safety of Vitamin K supplements.
I found it to be slightly irritating to take Life Extension Vitamin K. Especially, when my digestive system is extra sensitive.
Vitex
Does anyone have a valuable experience to share . I've got some but not experimented with it much.
In my health case, I used to love chicken and chips(PUFA) since I was a kid. Rice was a main source of food (estrogen). PUFA ruled out everything else at home because it was cheap and the already scarce animal fats was getting bad publicity (PUFA). Everything we buy is in plastic (Estrogen). Also, I was addicted to anything that has wheat In it. I don’t have problem with gluten but additives to flour and the commercial yeasts used in banking are definitely terrible.
Gynocomestia developed at 10 years old. I was obese at 38% fat at some point. This indicates liver problems. Impaired liver can’t recycle estrogen properly. It’s also an indicator of NAFLD. Hair loss started in late college. All this indicated of liver problems according to Dr. Peat.
Digestive problems acquired last about 2 years ago after a gastrointestinal infection and an anti-biotic treatment. Impaired digestion also correlated with impaired liver. Stopped dairy. After a while I quickly developed shoulder injury. Back hurts bad from sitting bad at work. At the start of 2014 my whole body was in constant state of inflammation.
The funny thing is. I was always uber health conscious. Exercise regularly. Watch my calories. Eat whole grains, salad every day, yogurt, raw broccoli, supplement with fish oil and multivitamins.
I was able to fix these issues to some extent in the past year. That’s where I thought paleo is working. Now I think it’s the anti-fungal experiments maybe helping control endotoxins.
While I could definitely see where the Ray Peat protocol shines, the worsening digestive troubles makes me peat my head against the wall.
I’d like you to share your thoughts and experiences with me, please. Whatever you can relate to what I discussed above.