Mossy
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I'm moving an ongoing conversation from another thread to here:
Being that we're off of the DHEA centered topic, I'll attempt to address all that you commented on.
I think there is a possibility that the non-mag components are affecting me, like the glycine—for glycine definitely hits me hard. There must be something about orotate that sits well with me, as the Swanson Ultra Magnesium Orotate is probably the greatest success I've ever had with a supplement. I do have the Bulk Supplements brand of magnesium orotate as well, from the search list you've provided. It's been so long since I've tried it, I don't recall why I've stopped talking it. It must not have measured up to the Swanson. I will put that on my list of one to try again.
Like you, because there is hardly a supplement I can take beyond 1-2 times, before experiencing bad effects, I question whether we should be supplementing at all. For now, I think there is validity to it, but that it's just like most of life—very challenging and hard to get it right; and that this is magnified for many that are overly sensitive. I think you may have a point about the amount of supplements that are needed. At least, I think it would make sense to use supplements to get up to par—if par could ever be reached—and then stop. I think the short answer to your question is more "yes" than "no", where you ask if our bodies are so poorly designed that we need all sorts of supplements to survive and thrive. I'm no scientist, but I think it's the law of entropy (if I'm stating and understanding that properly) that basically says all things are losing energy, hence the reason we age. As we've all witnessed, either within ourselves or others, imbalances and health issues come about. Many are hoping supplements, proper diet, exercise, etc. can compensate for those deficiencies and illnesses.
So, D-ribose and Chondroitin works well for your legs? Do you have edema?
As for the Peat way, his way was a sharp and definitive confirmation that what I was doing was wrong and what he said was better than what I was doing. Now, I think any reasonable person would be open to the possibility that there is a way that may be better than Peat's, though I could guess it wouldn't be a clean slate, or a complete wiping away of all things Peat. For me, after many years and diets, the Peat way at least brought me several steps up from where I was.
I do see some value in portion control, but I tend to think the Peatish theory (if I'm assigning that properly) of getting enough calories to the point of satiating the body, even if you err on the side of too many calories, has the greater value; at least for a sub-par, hypothyroid body. I would think the healthier you are, the more you can push and stress yourself. I can't say this with any scientific explanation, other than that is what I've gleaned from my studying and reading on this forum.
As for veggies, I can attest too many raw is murder on my gut. I can take the raw carrot, which can be slightly troubling at times, but I believe that's what it's supposed to do as it pushes things onward. Cooked vegetables I can take better, but the ones that I understand to be high in oxalates, like spinach, don't feel right by themselves—if I add fat they seem to taste and feel better.
I have not experienced anything negative from meat and dairy. If anything, I'm glad I've upped their intake since Peating. Even so, I don't think I eat a lot of meat.
As for sugar, it seems to do for me just what Peat said: gives me needed energy. But, I do think you need to be conscious about keeping it off your teeth. I try to get it from fruit and honey if possible, but due to cost and convenience, a little white sugar, and added sugars in processed foods, I do consume.
As for the vigorous working out, that was another Peatism that hit the nail on the head. When I first got into a hypothyroid state, 13 years ago, I had the "just do it" mentality that so many of us do, and I thought I needed to "no pain, no gain" my way out of my sluggish state. That just made me worse. Same with intermittent fasting. Working out, with fasting, crushed me.
I have tried magnesium oil. I had forgotten about it, but you've just reminded me of it. I may try that again.
@TucsonJJ
Being that we're off of the DHEA centered topic, I'll attempt to address all that you commented on.
I think there is a possibility that the non-mag components are affecting me, like the glycine—for glycine definitely hits me hard. There must be something about orotate that sits well with me, as the Swanson Ultra Magnesium Orotate is probably the greatest success I've ever had with a supplement. I do have the Bulk Supplements brand of magnesium orotate as well, from the search list you've provided. It's been so long since I've tried it, I don't recall why I've stopped talking it. It must not have measured up to the Swanson. I will put that on my list of one to try again.
Like you, because there is hardly a supplement I can take beyond 1-2 times, before experiencing bad effects, I question whether we should be supplementing at all. For now, I think there is validity to it, but that it's just like most of life—very challenging and hard to get it right; and that this is magnified for many that are overly sensitive. I think you may have a point about the amount of supplements that are needed. At least, I think it would make sense to use supplements to get up to par—if par could ever be reached—and then stop. I think the short answer to your question is more "yes" than "no", where you ask if our bodies are so poorly designed that we need all sorts of supplements to survive and thrive. I'm no scientist, but I think it's the law of entropy (if I'm stating and understanding that properly) that basically says all things are losing energy, hence the reason we age. As we've all witnessed, either within ourselves or others, imbalances and health issues come about. Many are hoping supplements, proper diet, exercise, etc. can compensate for those deficiencies and illnesses.
So, D-ribose and Chondroitin works well for your legs? Do you have edema?
As for the Peat way, his way was a sharp and definitive confirmation that what I was doing was wrong and what he said was better than what I was doing. Now, I think any reasonable person would be open to the possibility that there is a way that may be better than Peat's, though I could guess it wouldn't be a clean slate, or a complete wiping away of all things Peat. For me, after many years and diets, the Peat way at least brought me several steps up from where I was.
I do see some value in portion control, but I tend to think the Peatish theory (if I'm assigning that properly) of getting enough calories to the point of satiating the body, even if you err on the side of too many calories, has the greater value; at least for a sub-par, hypothyroid body. I would think the healthier you are, the more you can push and stress yourself. I can't say this with any scientific explanation, other than that is what I've gleaned from my studying and reading on this forum.
As for veggies, I can attest too many raw is murder on my gut. I can take the raw carrot, which can be slightly troubling at times, but I believe that's what it's supposed to do as it pushes things onward. Cooked vegetables I can take better, but the ones that I understand to be high in oxalates, like spinach, don't feel right by themselves—if I add fat they seem to taste and feel better.
I have not experienced anything negative from meat and dairy. If anything, I'm glad I've upped their intake since Peating. Even so, I don't think I eat a lot of meat.
As for sugar, it seems to do for me just what Peat said: gives me needed energy. But, I do think you need to be conscious about keeping it off your teeth. I try to get it from fruit and honey if possible, but due to cost and convenience, a little white sugar, and added sugars in processed foods, I do consume.
As for the vigorous working out, that was another Peatism that hit the nail on the head. When I first got into a hypothyroid state, 13 years ago, I had the "just do it" mentality that so many of us do, and I thought I needed to "no pain, no gain" my way out of my sluggish state. That just made me worse. Same with intermittent fasting. Working out, with fasting, crushed me.
I have tried magnesium oil. I had forgotten about it, but you've just reminded me of it. I may try that again.
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