GelatinGoblin
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Thanks brother, just in case
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@Creative Nature what does your hunger feel like? when i have some sort of bowel inflamation flare up, i sometimes notice i'm not truly hungry (as in naturally gravitating towards food), but i get those gastritis and ulcer type symptoms where it's like a strange hunger pain in the stomach that makes me want to eat something just to subdue it. it's weird to describe, and i can't tell if i've been under eating and i'm just hungry or if its gastritis causing the hunger pain.
Sorry to hear you are also dealing with gastritis (or similar condition).
I'm not hungry often, but when I am, my hunger feels about the same as it did when I was semi-healthy a few years ago. Just a sensation that the stomach is empty and ready, not too painful. (Sometimes warm, sugared goat milk kills my stress hormones and I feel more hungry after drinking it -- which for me is great.) When I haven't eaten for a while, the gastritis symptoms (stress reaction + stomach pain/discomfort) fade. Eating frequently doesn't help...
...But like you, I definitely notice that lower GI problems exacerbate the gastritis. For me, the connection might be something like:
bowel leaks endotoxin --> metabolism shuts down --> gastritis runs wild.
How do you think bowel inflammation is triggering gastritis symptoms for you?
i'm not dealing with it currently, it was a couple months ago that it was worse.
for me it felt like, i had some sort of discomfort in my stomach that just needed food in order to subdue. it wasn't even pain really but i think it's what they refer to as "hunger pain", although i could eat a large meal sometimes and it would still be there. online when i read about gastritis and ulcers a lot of people mention this symptom so i was just curious if you experienced it, and this website sort of describes it:
Causes Of Hunger Pain/Pangs | Gastrointestinal Disorders medical answers | Body & Health Conditions center | SteadyHealth.com
What exactly is hunger pain? Hunger pains or pangs are caused by the irritation of the stomach lining.www.steadyhealth.com
usually it was also occampanied by some sort of reflux at night, and i had pretty severe anxiety followed by bowel movements as mentioned in your other thread. i think the bowel inflamation causes b vitamin loss, serotonin, and estrogen etc, which make the panic rush worse. if i go too hard on refined foods, i find i can slip into a similar condition sometimes. small portions of beef with fruit and cheese help get some b6 and b3 which helped. I think for me the biggest changes That helped was finding unfortified milk that i tolerated (i think the vitamin A supplement is a big problem), along with finding a very salty cheese that i also tolerated, which for me was ricotta. calcium, sodium, and vitamin D all kind of helped me feel normal, although it still lingers occasionally. i notice OJ to be very helpful if I listen to my appetite and drink it when i'm craving sugar, but if i try to drink too much for calories past my appetite it can lead to some reflux. eggs are also kind of questionable, i find i react kind of poorly and get some sulfur type gas from them. honey first thing in the morning also helped me, and i know you've had expierence with that as well
I have great success personally with a pound of kale or spinach or chard or one of those greens, boiled in some water for about 10 minutes, and then strained to get the liquid while throwing out the greens. Also put a pinch of baking soda in the water to lower the oxalates. its a good mineral supplement, however the effects are short lasting when thyroids low. I forget if you've mentioned this, but what has been your experience with starchy foods, like rice, oats, potatoes, etc? do they make the gastritis much worse?
Im not too sure. what are your main magnesium deficient symptoms? is it like twitching eyes or muscles? For a long time I thought I had magnesium problems, but usally enough salt, calcium, and calories tends to fix it without supplementing or drinking the magnesium broth too too often. Do you have a rough estimate of how many Grams carbs your getting?Thanks for sharing your experience, @gaze. Do you have a rough, ballpark idea of what % of the minerals you extract from the greens? I'm trying to get a sense of how often I'd have to make the vegetable broth to get enough magnesium from it.
I haven't eaten starch in a while. I don't think it would trigger the gastritis, but it would likely contribute to my endotoxin problems, and based on past experience, more than whole fruit does.
It would be good to get more magnesium from my carb sources. I get too much of my carbs from the honey I add to my herbal tea (pau d'arco or chamomile). The tea has anti-inflammatory properties, but not much magnesium.
Im not too sure. what are your main magnesium deficient symptoms? is it like twitching eyes or muscles?
For a long time I thought I had magnesium problems, but usally enough salt, calcium, and calories tends to fix it without supplementing or drinking the magnesium broth too too often. Do you have a rough estimate of how many Grams carbs your getting?
I have great success personally with a pound of kale or spinach or chard or one of those greens, boiled in some water for about 10 minutes, and then strained to get the liquid while throwing out the greens. Also put a pinch of baking soda in the water to lower the oxalates. its a good mineral supplement, however the effects are short lasting when thyroids low. I forget if you've mentioned this, but what has been your experience with starchy foods, like rice, oats, potatoes, etc? do they make the gastritis much worse?
Stress reactions to eating protein have continued to be relatively mild, so for roughly last two weeks I've been over 100 g of protein per day, more than double what I used to get on relatively good days. Huge progress. Also up to 1 oz/day of beef liver, and still eating 50 g/day of protein from beef gelatin.
My dietary magnesium intake is improving, though not ideal, and between diet and epsom salt baths, I'm probably now getting at least the RDA. I quickly developed stress reactions to Magnoil, so can't use it for now.
Unfortunately, despite the above progress, gastritis is worst it's been in a while as my metabolic rate drops without thyroid (which I still don't tolerate) and coffee.
Don't know what to do at this point. To boost metabolism in relatively gentle ways, I'm thinking about trying low doses of topical methylene blue and increasing my doses of topical B vitamins. I could definitely use more sleep. And I haven't always managed stress well, which likely contributed to developing gastritis and contributes now to my difficulty in healing it.
As always, I'll appreciate any suggestions or discussion of your experiences.
Tidbit but I think 1oz per day of Beef Liver is too much. Also are you getting enough sun with all that Vitamin A?