Luann
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...Since we want less serotonin in us? Does not make sense but I hope one of you can clear it up. Thanks / love.
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all the protein he recommends are low in tryptophan and when you eat foods that will lower stress(sugar) and prove you with enough good vitamins and minerals the little tryptophan you eat will not be turned into serotonin.
There is alot more to the picture then just tryptophan and that article when it comes to serotonin.
Well, not milk, it's quite high in tryptophan. But he seems to like milk due to its high calcium, which he says, will take care of the tryptophan. But then why drink it in the first place if its AAs cancel each other out.
And I do want to see the whole picture, that's why I made this thread Can't help but see a good side to a low-protein diet THUS far, though!
the casein is protective from the tryptophan in milk. Also milk got ALOT of important nutrients.
Well you dont need to drink milk, if you find other sources that will provide you with enough potassium,calcium and other good protein its cool. But it sure is a hassle.
Again RP has written about the dangers of low protein. Lower metabolic rate, higher estrogen aka higher serotonin aka higher cortisol and it just sets off a cascade of stress effects.
All foods comes with pros and cons, the savvy eaters chooses the food with the least cons and most pros.
Beans aren't fat free at all, most are higher in PUFA than fruits and lowfat dairy. Beans have a protein bioavailability so low you should take whatever amount of protein they have for a given amount and cut it in half, that would give you a much more accurate number of what you are actually getting from them. They also have a garbage calcium to phosphorus ratio, difficult to digest, wreck your thyroid, and are very high in iron and potential allergens and antinutrients. If you want to get enough quality protein to sustain lean body mass, and most importantly fuel your liver with the proteins it needs your inevitability going to consume animal protein. People who eat mostly pants and get most of their protein from plants age rapidly. McDougall, klaper, etc.. They look like they are at least a decade older than they truly are, especially when you compare them to people like kummerow, my grandparents and great grandparents, Ray, etc. Just my opinion, I was high calorie vegan getting my protein from beans, lentals, rice, potatoes, wheat etc.. For over a year, it messed me up so bad, it dropped my temperature down to the 95's and I tried to kill myself. Ray has saved my life and my health, I will never eat a bean, lental, or a "high protein plant food " or even any starch ever again. Sorry for the rant. That's just my experience and my opinion, it doesn't mean anything.Makes sense. I read Multiple sclerosis, protein, fats, and progesterone that talks about low protein. Beans have no fat and they have low tryptophan, why are they not Peat?
Protein restriction or restriction of particular amino acids, such as methionine and tryptophan, may explain part of the effects of calorie restriction and GHRD mutations on longevity and disease risk, since protein restriction is sufficient to reduce IGF-1 levels and can reduce cancer incidence or increase longevity in model organisms, independently of calorie intake
Except like in one of Chris Masterjohn's articles when they put animals on a low protein diet and expose animals to a realistic amount of toxins the low protein group gets cancer and complications. But the higher protein group exposed to the same level of toxins don't get cancer and stayed healthy. Most likely because the extra protein gives the liver enough fuel to detoxify hazardous things.This study analysis really reinforces protein. LOW protein is better, EXCEPT that the effects of low protein are probably due to lower methionine and tryptophan.
For people who are older, the study says they are better off with high protein. When they say "part of the effects" they mean "maybe all the effects" ...
Except like in one of Chris Masterjohn's articles when they put animals on a low protein diet and expose animals to a realistic amount of toxins the low protein group gets cancer and complications. But the higher protein group exposed to the same level of toxins don't get cancer and stayed healthy. Most likely because the extra protein gives the liver enough fuel to detoxify hazardous things.
@ecstatichamster Don't forget about cysteine, as well.
I don't know about that. There's plenty of Asian cultures that rely primarily on plant protein and many of them age just fine. Trying to define diets by the appearance of a few individuals probably isn't a good idea. McDougall, for example, had a stroke when he was 18, before he became Vegan. He might have aged poorly regardless of diet. My grandfather ate mostly meat, a lot of PUFA, very little carbs or sugar, served in two wars, and (imo) looked better in his 90's than Peat does currently, but I wouldn't recommend ditching the carbs and being mainly a meat eater because of it.People who eat mostly pants and get most of their protein from plants age rapidly.
I don't know about that. There's plenty of Asian cultures that rely primarily on plant protein and many of them age just fine. Trying to define diets by the appearance of a few individuals probably isn't a good idea. McDougall, for example, had a stroke when he was 18, before he became Vegan. He might have aged poorly regardless of diet. My grandfather ate mostly meat, a lot of PUFA, very little carbs or sugar, served in two wars, and (imo) looked better in his 90's than Peat does currently, but I wouldn't recommend ditching the carbs and being mainly a meat eater because of it.
So because I disagreed with your opinion about vegetarians aging faster, you're telling me to get out?This is a RAY PEAT forum, specific to the ideas of Ray Peat. Perhaps everyone who disagrees shouldn't be posting here.