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how fresh was the goats milk? do you know how they were producing it? raw milk isnt going to be better than a grass fed, organic pasteurized milk.
I've averaged between 2 to 4 liters of milk since June of 2020. Currently, I’m averaging 3 liters. It took 10 years before I tolerated it again. I say again because I tolerated it just fine while growing up--dairy comprised the majority of my diet--and then I went vegan and didn't have dairy again until my spine collapsed about 5 years later. It took 10 years because I had severe gastritis from SIBO that had gone untreated for years due to a misdiagnosis, which led to a 4 year dietary detour of mostly raw fruit because I was unable to digest anything else. When I reintroduced milk, I consumed mainly Mt. Capra’s non-fat powdered goat’s milk but for over a year now it’s been a mix of raw goat’s milk and raw certified A2 milk from Guernseys and Jersey/Milking Devon crosses.
It's a heat thing and a time thing. When I say that the heat is probably not enough to completely denature the milk protein, I am taking into account that it is being flash applied very quickly and briefly. So the temps would certainly be enough to denature if you applied it for more time, which I don't believe they do. I am not a denatured protein expert, but our bodies temps do not denature all of our proteins. So I would completely guess above or around 100F degrees exposure for sufficient time at the very least is required to initiate denaturization and begin to break those hydrogen bonds.
do you think low temp pasteurized milk is the most denatured? UHT is 280 degrees F for 2 or 3 seconds. regular pasteurized milk is 163 degrees for 15 seconds. low temp pasteurized milk is 140 degrees for 30 minutes. the timeframe is huge. do you think low temp pasteurized milk is heavily denatured compared to those other options.
Thanks for sharing your experience. How was the fruitarian diet (aside from the spine, ouch)? I kinda adore that type of eating, but sadly fruitarians are not making it very appealing with how they look. Ironically when it comes to vegans the starch based crowd presents itself much better than the raw vegan/fruitarian crowd imo.
No, I do not. If anything the UHT higher heat to me would destroy the shape/structure of the protein and denature it more effectively than the lower temps longer time process of pasteurization. Hey, I'm certainly learning a lot fleshing out the subject as we discuss it. Including your example of cold pressing whey to keep it undenatured. Very interesting stuff. You got me wondering now what is the advantage is to eating denatured versus undenatured whey protein. My guess would be , denatured - higher digestibility. undenatured- conserves nutrient content.
I mean it had to be pretty fresh because the lady milked the goat in front of me into a bigger container, went into her house and poured it into a 1L bottle. The goats grazed on grass. Yet I still tolerate UHT goats milk better.
I just get tired of the debate about what is wrong with milk. There is nothing wrong with the milk if it is grass fed and good quality, there is something wrong with the digestion.
All I know is that back in the old days, and even when I was a kid, and through my teens milk was wonderful and nobody had a problem with it. Maybe now it is the vaccinated cows, maybe it is people’s allergies, which everyone seems to have nowadays too, maybe it’s the glue on the cartons, maybe it is that once you pasteurize it the dead stuff continues to decay and it is the histamines? I am a year away from 60 and I don’t have a problem with it, so I must be the problem?
Probably peoples allergies caused by this
You are not the problem and we completely agree that nothing is wrong with milk and milk is a healthy food for humans. (and ice cream! yum ) guess the question is the ability or not to digest it. Without a doubt there is a small cross section of we Peaters here that react negatively to some types of milk. It would be nice to be able to eat everything and not worry. Some are not so lucky.
You're welcome. :) Now that I know what real healing and health feel like, what I thought were improvements while following the fruitarian diet were actually the result of stress hormones. The diet was anti-inflammatory in the short-term, but catabolic in the long-term and combined with the energy, moments of euphoria and high temps that I experienced because of adrenaline, as someone with a history of poor thyroid function, it made it far too easy for me to misinterpret the diet as healthy. I thought all that fruit/sugar was helping prevent my hypoglycemia when in fact, it was causing it. I actually fared better with fruit-based than I did starch-based, but I wasn't a typical low calorie, fasting raw foodist. I averaged around 3000 calories a day.
but can you tolerate for instance a burger bun from mcdonalds or fast food places? some of it is the food quality/strange ingredients right?
I can't remember the last time I ate at a fast food restaurant so I can't answer that. I did have wraps, pasta salad and cake at the luncheon after my mum's funeral and tolerated them just fine, even took leftovers home and had them for the next 3 days, but it was held at more of an upscale restaurant so most likely better quality than McDonald’s. The only food I have an intolerance to now is honey. ?
See now that is what I wanna hear! Jennifer to the rescue, making good sense of things! I should have heeded that anti-Peat warning before treading in here!
I think this is a problem for many people who become "health conscious" after not caring much about health and nutrition (or only at a superficial level). I have had the same experience. Thinking about health and nutrition can easily lead to over-thinking and over-worrying. You sometimes become aware of problems you didn't even realize you had before, and think you need to take supplement X and avoid food Y to fix the problem you didn't even notice you had before.
I'm aware of the connection, oh well. You can't unvaccinate yourself so the logical step for me would be to avoid dairy completely, but I'm not certain if it's allergy in my case. Short term, up to 4-5 days I can drink even up to 2L of goat's milk daily and I'm peachy. At around two week mark I start noticing lowered libido, mellow, spaced out mood and water retention. This implies some kind of a build up effect but it's just my guess.
