InChristAlone
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Yes I agree that high carb diets cause decay without brushing and healthy saliva flow. I have always had a high carb diet my entire life. Plus acidic drinks. I didn't care to brush everyday. Then after hearing the harms of fluoride I eschewed brushing even more. So yeah I'm not a good example of good oral hygiene, but I was trying in the last few yrs to brush and water pik every single day with no fluoride. I couldn't stop the decay. It was still advancing. After getting most of the decay taken care of by a dentist my mouth is healthier and doesn't stink so maybe I don't need the entire system Dr. Ellie uses but I am giving it a try for at least 6 months to see what my next dental cleaning looks like. If she doesn't have much to do I will consider that a success. If plaque is still forming, then I wasn't doing it enough, I only do it once a day instead of twice like she recommends. I am susceptible to sensitivity with too much brushing. Including when I was using baking soda. Crest has been better despite being higher on the abrasive scale. I now believe vitamin A toxicity to be the cause of crumbling teeth not a lack of vegetables. But you reminded me of our conversation from a yr ago.There is plenty of examples of people with good teeth who never touched fluoride in their life. Both current examples, like myself, and the people that people like Weston A Price studied. What works for you is awesome I'm not debating you should be doing anything else, but there is more to the story than what Ellie hypothesizes is the issue.
The so called Ray Peat diet is terrible for teeth when practiced in most North American regions, we had talked before about the absence of vegetables as a contributor to your oral health.
Systemic antibiotics most definitely help eradicate oral issues without a direct disturbance to the oral microbiome, I have seen this in healing infections in the people around me with things like Augmentin, Ray has also mentioned this.
Most people brush their teeth far too infrequently, it doesn't matter if S Mutans is in your mouth, it just matters if they have fuel to metabolize aka leaving food in your mouth and it's crevices, almost everyone has S Mutans. It's another microbial scapegoat. I think people should be brushing minimum 5 times a day, with a non oral microbiome disrupting substance or the miswak.
Yes I'm just a guy on the Internet but I base my views on people just as if not more est established in science than Ellie, who after all is another person someone found through studying in the Internet.
In my previous response I missed an antibiotic she recommends which is closys. So she uses alcohol, essential oils (Listerine) and essentially bleach to "clean" the mouth, yet bashes things like green tea and sodium bicarbonate as beneficial biofilm disrupters, quite the claim considering the nukes she herself uses.
How is it possible she knows the microbiome comes back if she recommends this as a ongoing treatment... guaranteed eventually without this protocol the mouth will be more susceptible to both infection, tooth decay and oral cancer.
Once again not an attempt to say what you are doing is wrong, but just in case other people read and wonder why I'm not 100% on board with her.
I haven't heard the anecdotes of antibiotics healing oral infections. Typically even with them you need a root canal for abscessed teeth. But we aren't talking about abscessed teeth we are talking about plaque and decay.
Do you have a protocol you follow for healthy teeth?