What would happen if i become totally socially and sexually celibate? also the idea of “relaxed manic” state in perpetuity

[TheSir]

Auto immune issues can result.

Can you elaborate on this? Is it because we live in a toxin-filled environment, or are you suggesting that there is something innately wrong about this bodily function?

Of course if you don‘t use it after awhile you can lose it.

Lose what, exactly?

 

[ecstatichamster]

I withdraw from this religious argument. I never argue about people’s religion. It is quite self evident that men have the drive to have sex and to ejaculate. There are benefits to learning some self control, but to go completely against this is just a religious idea.

 

[TheSir]

I withdraw from this religious argument. I never argue about people’s religion. It is quite self evident that men have the drive to have sex and to ejaculate. There are benefits to learning some self control, but to go completely against this is just a religious idea.

Hey, all I did was ask you to go on! The idea you brought forth was that semen resorption is 'the worst idea ever' and a cause of auto-immune disease, with no further explanation. Surely you have some reasoning to back it up with? I'd be interested in hearing it, I might learn something.

 

[Nomane Euger]

I don’t see how that’s relevant to the topic at hand.

hi,you said"even if you arnt religious you will probably get something out it",i watched it,anyone that preach guiltiness ,shame,,submission to authority, is very unlikely to have anything positive to bring you

 

[ecstatichamster]

Hey, all I did was ask you to go on! The idea you brought forth was that semen resorption is 'the worst idea ever' and a cause of auto-immune disease, with no further explanation. Surely you have some reasoning to back it up with? I'd be interested in hearing it, I might learn something.

vasectomized men are a case study in long term non-ejaculation. It is well known to shorten life and cause autoimmunity against sperm.

Vasectomy: consequences of autoimmunity to sperm antigens - PubMed

Vasectomy: consequences of autoimmunity to sperm antigens

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Data from studies examining the effects of vasectomy in a large number of nonhuman primates vasectomized for periods ranging up to 14 years are summarized, and these findings and speculations are used as a framework with which to review the subject of autoimmunity and vasectomy. Attention is directed to autoimmunity to sperm antigens following vasectomy (factors affecting antisperm antibody levels, characteristics of circulating antisperm antibodies, antisperm antibodies in seminal plasma, and cellular immunity following vasectomy), and immunopathology of antisperm autoimmunity (local effects on the male reproductive tract and systemic effects on the male reproductive tract). The 6 hypotheses that have been advanced to explain individual variations in dynamics and types of antisperm antibodies produced following vasectomy are reviewed. 3 tests are commonly used to detect free antisperm antibodies after vasectomy: 1) the spermagglutination test; 2) the sperm immobilization test; and 3) the immunofluorescence test. Spermagglutinating (SA) antibodies, the most common type of antibody produced after vasectomy, occur in approximately 2/3 of vasectomized men and in a majority of vasectomized rhesus monkeys. Sperm-immobilizing (SI) antibodies are also produced in a large percentage (40%) of vasectomized men and rhesus monkeys. About 30% of vasectomized men also have antiprotamine antibodies.

 

[ecstatichamster]

and this has some good cites:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14681990601149197

The beneficial and well-being effects of human sexual arousal induced by coitus or masturbation are reviewed. Greater sexual satisfaction and some health rewards are given by coitally obtained orgasms even though those from masturbation may be more physiologically intense. The functionality of the circulatory, neural and muscular systems of the male and female genitalia are maintained by arousal and orgasm (maintenance functions) both in the conscious state and when asleep. Prophylactic actions (preventative functions) occur in relation to prostate cancer, implantation and dysmenorrhoea. In the male, ejaculations keep sperm morphology and semen volume within normal ranges while leukocyte numbers are increased. In the female, with coital vaginal deposition of semen mood enhancement occurs, menstrual cycles are more often of the ovulatory (fertile) type and postmenopausal vaginal atrophy is counteracted.

 

[ecstatichamster]

and this is a correlation that is interesting and to me quite obvious

View: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NgJzjNM24u_n67n1jpO11qwkHdqpxlpD/view


Background: Sexual activity can be referred to as a health behavior and may also act as an indicator of health status.
Aim: To evaluate temporal trends in sexual activity and to examine associations of sexual activity with all-cause and cause-specific mortality risk.

Methods: We examined the trends and prevalence of sexual activity and association of sexual activity with all-cause and cause-specific mortality in a nationally representative sample using data from the US National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey from 2005 to 2016 and the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey 2005-2014 Linked Mortality File (through December 31, 2015).

Outcomes: All-cause, cardiovascular disease, and cancer mortality.
Results: A total of 15,269 US adults (mean age, 39.1 years [standard error, 0.18 years]) were included in the trend analysis. In the 2015-2016 cycle, while 71.7% (95% CI, 67.7e75.7%) US adults aged 20-59 years engaged in sexual activity 12 times/year (monthly), only 36.1% (95% CI, 31.6e40.7%) of them engaged in sexual activity 52 times/year (weekly). Since the 2005e2006 cycle, the estimated prevalence of sexual activity, 52 times/year and 12 times/year, were both stable over time among overall and each age group (all P for trend >0.1). During a median follow-up of 5.7 years (range, 1e11 years) and 71,960 person-years of observation, among 12,598 participants with eligible information on mortality status, 228 deaths occurred, including 29 associated with cardiovascular disease and 62 associated with cancer.

Overall, participants with higher sexual activity frequency were at a lower risk of all-cause death in a dose-response manner (P for trend 1⁄4 0.020) during the follow-up period. In addition, the multivariable-adjusted hazard ratios for all-cause mortality, CVD mortality, cancer mortality, and other cause mortality among participants who had sex 52 times/year compared with those having sex 0e1 time/year were 0.51 (95% CI, 0.34 to 0.76), 0.79 (95% CI, 0.19 to 3.21), 0.31 (95% CI, 0.11 to 0.84), and 0.52 (95% CI, 0.28 to 0.96), respectively.

Clinical Implications: Sexual activity appears to be a health indicator of all-cause and cancer mortality in US middle-aged adults.

 

[Hayley]

hi,you said"even if you arnt religious you will probably get something out it",i watched it,anyone that preach guiltiness ,shame,,submission to authority, is very unlikely to have anything positive to bring you

The discussion is about lust. You haven’t refuted anything I or father Spyridon said about lust, but rejected it on the basis that “someone who preaches guilt and submission to authority is very unlikely to have anything positive to bring you”. That’s a red herring, and has nothing to do with the claim that lust is bad/sinful.

 

[Nomane Euger]

The discussion is about lust. You haven’t refuted anything I or father Spyridon said about lust, but are rejected it on the basis that “someone who preaches guilt and submission to authority is very unlikely to have anything positive to bring you”. That’s a red herring, and has nothing to do with the claim that lust is bad/sinful. I also noticed in your responses to other users you haven’t set up your own position/claim on the topic, you have just nitpicked other peoples positions, therefore not contributing anything useful to the discussion.

hi,what i wrote was not intended as a refutal of anything you said,you shared a video,i gave you my opinion on the video.i can explicit if you prefer,as i said the only things that he has some good intuitions about are love,and heart.for the rest he is full of ***t,what he is feeling and preaching is bad for humanity."sin"in the sense of human beings feeling guiltiness about something they felt or did because some text or authorities claim that these things are bad,is bad.guiltiness,shame,submission to authorities(whetever god,any idol),and the feeling of being sinfull are negatives afflictions,the most desirable for humans is to feel the lowest degree of these afflictions,and to feel a higher degree of positive feelings.lust(if you intend it as sexuel desire,i am not sure wich senses peoples give to this word)shouldnt make anyone think he is sinfull because some text or authorities clame so,and therefore feel worst about it.from my experience i believe lust to be the manifestation of a less optimal state of well being,you can still feel great and feel some degree of lust.i dont have to set my "position/claim"on a topic to contribute to the discussion,questionning someone claims, specifically when they are dubious,is usefull to the discussion,specifically if you question those claims while bringing certains facts.it also permit some peoples to explicit and clarify their claims

 

[Hayley]

I withdraw from this religious argument. I never argue about people’s religion. It is quite self evident that men have the drive to have sex and to ejaculate. There are benefits to learning some self control, but to go completely against this is just a religious idea.

I don’t think anyone is going completely against the idea that sex is healthy. It’s feeding into lustful attitude that is unhealthy. To view other people as objects to fulfill ones desire is unhealthy. Sex with strangers or porn is entirely different from sex in a relationship. From a biological perspective, delaying the benefits of releasing sperm (no fap) has its own benefit of enhanced pressure to find a actual mate.

 

[Hayley]

hi,what i wrote was not intended as a refutal of anything you said,you shared a video,i gave you my opinion on the video.i can explicit if you prefer,as i said the only things that he has some good intuitions about are love,and heart.for the rest he is full of ***t,what he is feeling and preaching is bad for humanity."sin"in the sense of human beings feeling guiltiness about something they felt or did because some text or authorities claim that these things are bad,is bad.guiltiness,shame,submission to authorities(whetever god,any idol),and the feeling of being sinfull are negatives afflictions,the most desirable for humans is to feel the lowest degree of these afflictions,and to feel a higher degree of positive feelings.lust(if you intend it as sexuel desire,i am not sure wich senses peoples give to this word)shouldnt make anyone think he is sinfull because some text or authorities clame so,and therefore feel worst about it.from my experience i believe lust to be the manifestation of a less optimal state of well being,you can still feel great and feel some degree of lust.i dont have to set my "position/claim"on a topic to contribute to the discussion,questionning someone claims, specifically when they are dubious,is usefull to the discussion,specifically if you question those claims while bringing certains facts.it also permit some peoples to explicit and clarify their claims

Even from a materialist worldview guilt and shame are commonplace. Only a sociopath feels none of these. Without anyone preaching to you would still feel these things after doing something wrong. How common is it that people say they feel guilt after watching porn? Why do you think they feel this way? I’m not saying sex is bad, but lust is/was widely recognized as negative for a reason. As far as scientific literature there’s been studies about pre marital promiscuity and subsequent marital satisfaction (it’s what you would expect for both genders) , as well as pornography use and desire for your mate (negatively correlated). So no matter what worldview I have, I can ultimately come to the same conclusion.

 

[TheSir]

Thanks. Here are my thoughts about these studies.

vasectomized men are a case study in long term non-ejaculation. It is well known to shorten life and cause autoimmunity against sperm.

As you must know, this research concerns an autoimmune reaction generated as a response to vasectomy. Such reaction has little do with normally functioning sperm metabolism. It is not surprising that mangling the body will cause negative health consequences by disrupting bodily functions.

The beneficial and well-being effects of human sexual arousal induced by coitus or masturbation are reviewed. Greater sexual satisfaction and some health rewards are given by coitally obtained orgasms even though those from masturbation may be more physiologically intense. The functionality of the circulatory, neural and muscular systems of the male and female genitalia are maintained by arousal and orgasm (maintenance functions) both in the conscious state and when asleep. Prophylactic actions (preventative functions) occur in relation to prostate cancer[1], implantation and dysmenorrhoea. In the male, ejaculations keep sperm morphology and semen volume within normal ranges while leukocyte numbers are increased[2]. In the female, with coital vaginal deposition of semen mood enhancement occurs, menstrual cycles are more often of the ovulatory (fertile) type and postmenopausal vaginal atrophy is counteracted.

While sexual activity evidently is a rewarding and pleasurable pursuit with a range of context-specific health benefits, this in itself is cannot work as evidence for any harm concerning not having sex. Furthermore:

[1] The evidence between sex and decreased prostate cancer risk is weak, only consisting of one correlational study (another similar study came to somewhat an opposite conclusion). In this study Catholic clerics were found to have significantly lower prostate cancer mortality (30%) and overall mortality (15%), than the control group. In this one Catholic priests were also found to have lower prostate cancer mortality, though their overall mortality was found to be higher than that of the control group.

[2] As us Peatarians know, references to normal ranges are references to common values, rather than optimal values. Hence their value is limited.

Clinical Implications: Sexual activity appears to be a health indicator of all-cause and cancer mortality in US middle-aged adults.

The most fundamental implication here is that healthy people have more sex, and because they are healthy, they live longer. In defense of the researchers, they did attempt to account for health variables, but as we all know, assessing health is not as simple as checking whether the participant has been diagnosed with diabetes, as we are dealing with the unseen effects of epigenetics too. It is clear that the correlation has more to do with general health than sex itself. Interestingly, it has been found that eunuchs live up to 20 years longer than non-castrated males. The large difference might perhaps shed light into how stressful arousal is to the body.

 

[ecstatichamster]

healthy people have a lot of sex. And happy people do too. Anyway as I said, this is a religious discussion and it's fine with me that people feel this way.

 

[TheSir]

healthy people have a lot of sex. And happy people do too.

One and the same, no?

Anyway as I said, this is a religious discussion and it's fine with me that people feel this way.

Heh, as far as I am concerned, it is a scientific one, based on reason rather than feelings.

 

[Nomane Euger]

Even from a materialist worldview guilt and shame are commonplace. Only a sociopath feels none of these. Without anyone preaching to you would still feel these things after doing something wrong

hi,guilt and shame are common feelings peoples experience,they are negative feelings,peoples should feel as little as possible of these feeling for their well being,anything that cause you these feelings and decrease your well being long term should be avoided,including ideas from certains religions if that is what they make you feel,most peoples i have met that are christian/muslims do get more of these negative feelings from the ideas and claims of the religion they follow,so even if these feelings are already present for most peoples,islam/christianism tend to increase these feelings for most peoples i have met,and to prone these negative feelings as desirable.i personally dont feel these negative feelings,and i feel other positive feelings including empathy for others human beings most of days,so no,not feelings these negative feelings do not make you a sociopath.

. How common is it that people say they feel guilt after watching porn? Why do you think they feel this way? I’m not saying sex is bad, but lust is/was widely recognized as negative for a reason.

if you feel bad after watching porn,thats the manifestation that in your very context its bad for you,these bad feelings can permit some persons to stop doing the things that caused it,you should not do things that make you feel these negative feelings if the long term well being benefit do not overcome the bad feelings,if you dont feel these negative feelings while doing certain acts such as "lusting",anyone that prone that its better for you to feel them,is bad for you,lust can feel great and be exempt of any negative feeling."lust is/was widely recognized as negative for a reason" you can still not feel it and not experience it negatively,and experience it postively,peoples perceiving something a certain way doesnt mean that you will or should experience it the same way.

As far as scientific literature there’s been studies about pre marital promiscuity and subsequent marital satisfaction (it’s what you would expect for both genders) , as well as pornography use and desire for your mate (negatively correlated). So no matter what worldview I have, I can ultimately come to the same conclusion.

a text on a paper pretending that,does not proove that it is a real phenomenon.even if i accept this phenomenon of negative correlation between "pre marital promiscuity and subsequent marital satisfaction",it doesnt mean that pre martial promiscuity is bad,marriage is not good in most cases in our modern days,marital satisfaction is not by it self a relevant metric of what is good or bad for you and or if pre marital promiscuity is good or bad for you

 

[Nomane Euger]

healthy people have a lot of sex. And happy people do too. Anyway as I said, this is a religious discussion and it's fine with me that people feel this way.

do healthy and happy childs do have lot of sex?

 

[ecstatichamster]

do healthy and happy childs do have lot of sex?

children are not adults so that is not relevant.

My dog doesn't have a lot of sex either. Nor does my fish. I don't care. It's not relevant. We were talking about functioning adults.

 

[Nomane Euger]

children are not adults so that is not relevant.

My dog doesn't have a lot of sex either. Nor does my fish. I don't care. It's not relevant. We were talking about functioning adults.

you didnt said adults,you said peoples,wich doesnt exclude children.
where do you draw the line between adults and childrens?do you imply that human beings can not tend to one state or another depending of their environnement?and that once you reach the adult state you cant tend back to the children state,and not masturbating for more than one week or 2 become bad for the rest of your life,independently of your nocturnal ejaculations?

 

[ecstatichamster]

hopeless. Go ahead. Avoid all sexual pleasure. That's fine.

 

[Nomane Euger]

hopeless. Go ahead. Avoid all sexual pleasure. That's fine.

so,if peoples question you on one of your statements that is dubious and lack nuances,its hopeless