Why Is There So Much Soluble Fibre In Human Breast Milk?

[narouz]

No. Just a salty/sugary condiment like tomato sauce or jam.

How much carb in the form of sugars do you get...like fruit or milk or sucrose or honey or...?

 

[Suikerbuik]

Well...I'm afraid that even if I experience some kind of success
with my fiber intake,
you will not allow that I had candida.

Even better. It will be a subjective indication that fiber is capable of changing the balance in certain systems, alleviating the 'candida syndrome' (all symptoms people attribute to candida), and it might put weight to the essentiality of fermentable fiber intake.

 

[Westside PUFAs]

No. Just a salty/sugary condiment like tomato sauce or jam.

How much carb in the form of sugars do you get...like fruit or milk or sucrose or honey or...?

I don't know the gram numbers but I will start measuring once I get a scale. My plan is to start measuring objective data that I can track with pulse and temp. My simple sugars are from lactose and galactose from skim milk (no vitamins added. In CA we have the only brand that you can buy that has no vitamins added, unless you go to a farm, or buy traditional cream on top whole milk in glass jar and use an electronic cream seperator), fruits, fruit juice, a bit of sucrose, a bit of honey, maple syrup, molasses, sugarcane juice, coconut sugar, with lactose and fructose being the bulk and the others being like condiments.

 

[Stuart]

Well...I'm afraid that even if I experience some kind of success
with my fiber intake,
you will not allow that I had candida.

Even better. It will be a subjective indication that fiber is capable of changing the balance in certain systems, alleviating the 'candida syndrome' (all symptoms people attribute to candida), and it might put weight to the essentiality of fermentable fiber intake.

Just curious what you mean by fermentable fiber being essential?
The reason I consume it is the same reason it's in breast milk, because it promotes a healthy microbiome. Even the bacteria in breast milk promotes a healthy microbiome too.
Commensal bugs and food for them.
No studies needed, or endless debate. Just looking after your microbiome in exactly the same way breast milk always has. Back in the day the whole foods and whole animals humans automatically consumed ensured that our fermentable fiber consumption didn't diminish much after weaning.
The few traditional living human societies remaining on planet Earth still do. Just as they continue to consume the high carbohydrate intakes most humans (there's a few exceptions, like the Inuit - but they don''t live very long, so I'm not interested) have throughout their development. Not to mention gelatin and plenty of calcium from plants and smashed up bones.
I like evolutionary logic. It's made us the animal we are today, and stood the test of time.

 

[Suikerbuik]

The answer is in your following post.

 

[narouz]

No. Just a salty/sugary condiment like tomato sauce or jam.

How much carb in the form of sugars do you get...like fruit or milk or sucrose or honey or...?

I don't know the gram numbers but I will start measuring once I get a scale. My plan is to start measuring objective data that I can track with pulse and temp. My simple sugars are from lactose and galactose from skim milk (no vitamins added. In CA we have the only brand that you can buy that has no vitamins added, unless you go to a farm, or buy traditional cream on top whole milk in glass jar and use an electronic cream seperator), fruits, fruit juice, a bit of sucrose, a bit of honey, maple syrup, molasses, sugarcane juice, coconut sugar, with lactose and fructose being the bulk and the others being like condiments.

I was just trying to get a rough feel for
if you sortuv use the rice as a replacement for the Ideal Peat carbs from fruit, sugar, honey, etc....

How is your digestion, elimination, gut health?

 

[Westside PUFAs]

I was just trying to get a rough feel for
if you sortuv use the rice as a replacement for the Ideal Peat carbs from fruit, sugar, honey, etc....

How is your digestion, elimination, gut health?

When you say the "ideal Peat carbs" remember that Peat said sucrose is a "temporary therapeutic material" and I don't think he thinks that honey should be eaten ad libitum as a main carb source. Those are sugars to use contextually. It's clear that he thinks fruit is the best because of its mineral balance and lactose is an easy sugar source that comes with calcium and anti-stress casein.

"When starch is well cooked, and eaten with some fat and the essential nutrients, it's safe, except that it's more likely than sugar to produce fat, and isn't as effective for mineral balance." - RP

Let's break that quote down. Well cooked starch is safe, is what I get from it. If one notices that he or she does not get fat from it, then that is a good sign. And yes, fruit has a better mineral balance. He likes the fat added to it for digestive reasons but as I said many times, since I eat so much of it, I can not add fat every single time as that would cause fat gain for me. I've tested it. But as long as I digest it fine, then the fat isn't needed for me. The key point here is that he said starch is safe.

"Plain white rice, well cooked, with butter is o.k." - RP

My digestion is great. The raw carrots daily help with elimination. Large amounts of meat tend to clog me up so I try to have meat with some cooked greens which helps with meat. People seem to forget that Ray likes cooked greens:

" Those hormones, antagonistic to cortisol, can help to reduce waist fat. Chard, collard, and kale are good greens." - RP

"Well cooked potatoes, with butter or cream, fruit, and well cooked greens are other foods have vitamins and minerals that are helpful." - RP

"The things I most often recommend for magnesium are the water from boiling greens such as beet, chard, turnip and kale, and coffee." - RP

"Well cooked greens are very good sources, coffee and chocolate are, too." - RP

"but the first thing should be to make sure her calcium to phosphorus ratio is good, by having two quarts of low fat milk per day, or the equivalent in low fat cheese, with no grains, legumes, nuts, or muscle meats, and with some well cooked greens regularly. Vitamin K is important for calcium metabolism, too." - RP

 

[narouz]

When you say the "ideal Peat carbs" remember that Peat said sucrose is a "temporary therapeutic material" and I don't think he thinks that honey should be eaten ad libitum as a main car source. Those are sugars to use contextually. It's clear that he thinks fruit is the best because of its mineral balance and lactose is an easy sugar source that comes with calcium and anti-stress casein.

Yeah, I was just testing ya.

When starch is well cooked, and eaten with some fat and the essential nutrients, it's safe, except that it's more likely than sugar to produce fat, and isn't as effective for mineral balance.

Let's break that quote down. Well cooked starch is safe, is what I get from it.

The key point here is that he said starch is safe.

I think a bit of willful interpretation there, my friend.
But who am I too quibble--as I quaff down my 30mg supps of starch!

Really, trying my best to apply a non-willful interpretation to all of Peat's statements about starch,
I can't say that he thinks starch is safe or ideal.
So that's my interpretation of what Peat thinks.
I am experimenting with eating some not-recommended Peat foods
in consuming inulin and FOS.
That's how I see it.

So...how is your digestion, elimination, bloating, gas, etc...?

 

[Westside PUFAs]

Yeah, I was just testing ya.

(1940s' American 3-Stooges style:) Say, what's the big idea aye? Muh, muh, why I oughta, put em up, put em up..

Really, trying my best to apply a non-willful interpretation to all of Peat's statements about starch,
I can't say that he thinks starch is safe or ideal.
So that's my interpretation of what Peat thinks.
I am experimenting with eating some not-recommended Peat foods
in consuming inulin and FOS.
That's how I see it.

How is him saying that it is safe somehow not safe?

Also, this quote is another example of just how brilliant Peat is:

"There isn't anything wrong with a high carbohydrate diet, and even a high starch diet isn't necessarily incompatible with good health, but when better foods are available they should be used instead of starches." - RP

I say that because he knows of the starch eating cultures and how they have used it for a long time with no problems. But from his optimal POV, it's clear that low fat milk and fruit is the better choice for optimal mineral balance etc.

 

[Such_Saturation]

Yes... let us grind up some ageless Baobabs so we can feel the rush of disobeying that old sugar fascist up in Oregon I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

 

[narouz]

How is him saying that it is safe somehow not safe?

Because he doesn't say that.
You've abridged and abbreviated.
Peat attaches many caveats about starch.
You leave out those nuances.

...I say that because he knows of the starch eating cultures and how they have used it for a long time with no problems....

Here too, West...I'd like to believe you, as I put my globe artichoke into steam.
But honestly, to the best of my knowledge,
I don't remember Peat ever discussing how starch is good for people
as proven by "starch eating cultures and how they have used it for a long time with no problems."

Now...it could be that starch eating cultures have eaten starch for a long time with no problems.
I don't know.
But I don't think Peat makes that assumption, cites that kind of view as a basis
for his recommendations.

 

[narouz]

Yes... let us grind up some ageless Baobabs so we can feel the rush of disobeying that old sugar fascist up in Oregon I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

That's the spirit, Such!

 

[narouz]

Well...I'm afraid that even if I experience some kind of success
with my fiber intake,
you will not allow that I had candida.

Even better. It will be a subjective indication that fiber is capable of changing the balance in certain systems, alleviating the 'candida syndrome' (all symptoms people attribute to candida), and it might put weight to the essentiality of fermentable fiber intake.

I don't know if I have candida.
As far as I know, there is no way I could know that.
There is no way I could prove it.

But, the case of "thebigpeatowski" is very interesting.
http://www.raypeatforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3340&hilit=the+bigpeatowski&start=480
I doubt you will want to read her 33 pages.
But, she took a lot of antibiotics.
Has recurring gut problems marked by bloating and cramping in the ascending colon area.
Takes Nystatin.
Bloating and cramps go away.
All is well for a while, maybe days I think, then the bloating and cramping return.
Takes Nystatin.
Bloating and cramps go away.
Like, immediately.

She repeats this experiment many times with the same results.
When she relates this experiment to specialists,
they act as if she never said it.

Nystatin, to my knowledge, has no antibiotic properties. Just a yeast and fungus killer.

So...diagnosis by treatment...
how would you interpret that, Suik?

Or what about our friend here, Stuart.
He writes very acutely about his parents' affliction with different exterior fungal growths.
He also speculatates that they suffered for a long time with yeast/fungal gut overgrowth,
from a very sensitive monitoring of smells they exude.
He describes how he has had many exterior fungal infections over the years.
He speculates--I use that word because there is no way he could do otherwise since there is no accepted test--
that he had yeast/fungus problems in his gut over many years.

Then he discovered the wonders of FOS and inulin and other fibers,
and things changed dramatically, inside and outside.

I tend to believe Stuart's description of his life.

What do you make of it?
I'm simply asking for your take.
It is not meant as a tendentious question.

 

[Westside PUFAs]

How is him saying that it is safe somehow not safe?

Because he doesn't say that.
You've abridged and abbreviated.
Peat attaches many caveats about starch.
You leave out those nuances.

...I say that because he knows of the starch eating cultures and how they have used it for a long time with no problems....

Here too, West...I'd like to believe you, as I put my globe artichoke into steam.
But honestly, to the best of my knowledge,
I don't remember Peat ever discussing how starch is good for people
as proven by "starch eating cultures and how they have used it for a long time with no problems."

Now...it could be that starch eating cultures have eaten starch for a long time with no problems.
I don't know.
But I don't think Peat makes that assumption, cites that kind of view as a basis
for his recommendations.

Because he doesn't say that.

But.he.did.

Peat attaches many caveats about starch.

About beans (legumes) and flour products, yes. (although Lita Lee, a Peat "practitioner" says that green beans are a "safe" legume" and Rob Turner eats them too: https://instagram.com/p/5vxNCDn3_9/?tak ... nctionalps

Oh my god!!! Rob Turner eats greens vegetables and potatoes!!! oh noez!!!

Here too, West...I'd like to believe you, as I put my globe artichoke into steam.

Artichoke is a starch now?

You have a clever way or ignoring and interpreting things.

He said it is safe, and he said "even a high starch diet isn't necessarily incompatible with good health." I don't know how much more clarification you need.

What I mean is this: Ray is a nutrition guy, which means his peers think he's a quack, but that is what all nutrition minded people love about him. Most MD's and scientists think nutrition is not even a real science. Hence, Peat's quotes on how nutrition is the ugly step child of science. Like I said, it's clear what his views on starch are but simultaneously he is aware of this because of being a nutrition guy:

https://goo.gl/iWMW24

Yes, that is a funny video and yes the VegSource guy is wrong about cholesterol and saturated fat (used in the right mounts) etc., But nonetheless, the starch eating cultures would fit well with this:

"For the present, the important thing is to avoid the use of the least appropriate food products, while choosing natural foods that have historical, epidemiological, and biochemical justification." - RP

But of course, fruit and low fat lactose are the best for the thousandth time.

 

[narouz]

He said it is safe, and he said "even a high starch diet isn't necessarily incompatible with good health." I don't know how much more clarification you need.

Okay.
Let's say you bring your fiancee around to my house to visit.
She goes to the bathroom.
You ask me: "She's a knockout, don't you think!?"
I say,
"Her features are not necessarily incompatible with good looks."

Do you punch me?

 

[Westside PUFAs]

He said it is safe, and he said "even a high starch diet isn't necessarily incompatible with good health." I don't know how much more clarification you need.

Okay.
Let's say you bring your fiancee around to my house to visit.
She goes to the bathroom.
You ask me: "She's a knockout, don't you think!?"
I say,
"Her looks are not necessarily incompatible with good looks."

Do you punch me?

False equivalence. Subjective views on what constitutes a dimepiece is not the same as human nutrition with objective data.

 

[HDD]

More food for thought:

Many doctors advise constipated patients to drink more water and exercise. While there is some physiological basis for recommending exercise, the advice to drink more water is simply unphysiological. A study in Latin America found no evidence of benefit from either of those recommendations, and recommended the use of fiber in the diet. The right kind of fiber can benefit a variety of bowel problems. However, some types of fiber can exacerbate the problem, and some types (such as oat bran) have been found to increase bowel cancer in animal studies.
Despite the greater prevalence of constipation in women and older people, even specialists in gastroenterology are very unlikely to consider the role of hypothyroidism or other endocrine problems in chronic constipation.

Because of the cultural clichés about constipation--that it’s caused by not eating enough fiber or drinking enough water, for example--and the belief that it’s not very important, there is seldom an effort made to understand the actual condition of the intestine, and the causes of the problem.

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/ca ... buse.shtml

 

[HDD]

And this from an interview:

Emodin has - every year it seems like there are half a dozen functions that are found for Emodin including improving the flora of the intestine.

 

[narouz]

And this from an interview:

Emodin has - every year it seems like there are half a dozen functions that are found for Emodin including improving the flora of the intestine.

Improving the flora.
Improving The Flora!!

So, Law of Transitivity:
Peat likes Emodin.
Emodin improves gut flora.
Therefore,
Peat approves of cultivation/growth of gut flora!!

(I'm sorry HDD...it is a wicked game we play with you here:
twisting your words so as to
pose you in the position of aiding and abetting Peat Infidels! )

 

[HDD]

Yes, I see your point, maybe there are studies? It was from an interview so nothing to back it up. Maybe he was baiting the audience? I believe it came before the other statement about bacteria. I need to check on that.

About cascara,I just had a weird digestive bout that was ultimately resolved from cascara and coke. Do you use cascara?