BobbyJackson
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He also looks more feminized in the latter picture...it's insanity.
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And an unhealthy pale, kinda creepy looking to me. His lips had more color and were fuller in his before pic.He also looks more feminized in the latter picture...it's insanity.
He also looks more feminized in the latter picture...it's insanity.
Those eyes do not look like eyes of a healthy person.View attachment 59437
Yeah I am not impressed.
Now that you mention it I suppose both sexes do tend to look similar. This is interesting. Also in the post you linked the stomach being a producer of estrogen is something I did not know. I might have to rethink my butter consumption..Not sure if you have noticed, but older (65+) males and older females look very much alike, sex-wise. That's what unopposed estrogen does to both sexes, when the protective testosterone (and to a lesser degree, progesterone) is low in males and the progesterone is low in females.
@Rinse & rePeatFat increases estrogen synthesis, even in menopausal females; glucose lowers it
A fascinating study, which provides a number of important findings and insights. First, the study shows that fat (from diet or lipolysis) drives estrogen production not only in fat cells (which has been known for decades, even by mainstream medicine), but also in other organs typically not...raypeatforum.com
His eyes seems to have lost the life, twinkle, that they had in his before picture.Those eyes do not look like eyes of a healthy person.
This is my exact experience Haidut writes about here. In my late 30’s I discovered the false hope of the Ketogenic diet and Fasting. After 6 months I was looking the skinniest I had been since my senior highschool year. Amazing! No, Dehydration! A year later endless health problems started. And I would go in and out of trying keto fasting again and again.
Here is the real problem that compounds as the psychology of what Haidut writes about plays out in your head. You feel really good fasting with good seeming mental clarity. This is because your cortisol is running the show. So you really feel like you’re doing the write thing. That’s a huge problem. The thing that is tearing down your tissues is giving you mental clarity and of course lower endo-toxin from never eating anything is great. But then you start getting leg cramps at night. Then you start getting foot cramps in the day. Then you boost electrolytes and eat more fat. Then you start loosing sleep. So then you start taking freezing cold showers. That’s fun and gives more mental clarity so then you cut out all plants from the diet. Then your thyroid starts to hurt!!! And you think it’s a soar throat! So then you Fast for longer! Then you start taking terrible supplements that you think help you detox! Whatever the hell that means. So this clear mind you get leads you down a rabbit hole right towards fatty liver, terribly hypothyroid, food craving.
I had a stabbing pain in my throat for an entire year. Right where my thyroid is. And all I could think to do was eat less frequently and eat more steak. And buy more supplements.
The harsh reality is that no one person in this country doesn’t have pounds of PUFA making up there bodies tissues. So if you want to fast you are putting yourself on a very high Pufa diet. It’s that simple.
Phew. So creepy.Yeah I think his before photo looks healthier and far more attractive. His eyes are tiny like, Kenny Rogers, plastic surgery.
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Hardly. All of you are just coping and seeking confirmation bias to confirm that fasting is bad. When it’s actually the best thing to do for serious weight loss. It’s undeniable.Another dent in the fasting armour
Maybe glycine, along with everything else Peaty, can help with too much estrogen synthesis from the stomach.Now that you mention it I suppose both sexes do tend to look similar. This is interesting. Also in the post you linked the stomach being a producer of estrogen is something I did not know. I might have to rethink my butter consumption..
“The study below shows that the stomach is not only also a steroidogenic organ, but a major contributor to serum levels of estrogen. I think this is the first study that implicates an organ other than the ovaries as major source of serum estradiol (E2) in females. Second, the study demonstrated that the cells lining the stomach preferentially synthesize estrogen (and not other steroids) and that serum triglycerides (derived from dietary fat or lipolysis) are both the trigger for such synthesis and also serve as the preferred (maybe even obligate?) energy source for those cells to produce estradiol.”
You can seek confirmation bias on any side of any issue.Hardly. All of you are just coping and seeking confirmation bias to confirm that fasting is bad. When it’s actually the best thing to do for serious weight loss. It’s undeniable.
Many, many positive success stories and they rarely regain the weight.
Anyone that denies the benefits is simply ignorant or has bad intentions.
Lose muscle mass? What muscle mass? People who do not workout hardly have any muscle mass to lose.
Stop with the cope. Fasting is the best intervention for weight loss. Period. And I’m not saying it’s good for overall health.
Even @Dapose confirmed that it works for weight loss.
I have been dedicated to the homemade bone broths lately Regina, the last month or so, everyday and sometimes twice a day, boiled chicken wings for their skin and even pork rinds, and I do see a difference in my skin being more supple and plump.Maybe glycine, along with everything else Peaty, can help with too much estrogen synthesis from the stomach.
I'm preaching to the choir with you though, Rinse. You probably are the most dedicated to homemade gelatin than all of us here.
BumpWhat compounds would be the most effective at reducing estrogen strongly and helping to reduce belly fat as a result? I also believe that cortisol is linked to belly fat? So I think you'd need a good combination of strong cortisol inhibition and estrogen reduction to be able to bring it down. Combined maybe with another agent to reduce endotoxin in the gut.
Agree 100%, Georgi.Not sure there is much good doing resistance exercise while fasting, since IGF-1/insulin would be low in that period and without them amino acids would go towards gluconeogenesis instead of recycled back into muscle protein synthesis. Also, cortisol rises while fasting and any exertion, even pure concentric exercise, while fasting would drive cortisol even higher. So, unless the person has at least a sweet drink or something, the exercise would make things worse in most cases. Ray suggested drinking a fluid with electrolytes as those inhibit muscle breakdown, but so far the only confirmed anti-catabolic agents I have seen shown to work in humans during fasting are the anabolic/anticatabolic steroids.
Hardly. All of you are just coping and seeking confirmation bias to confirm that fasting is bad. When it’s actually the best thing to do for serious weight loss. It’s undeniable.
Many, many positive success stories and they rarely regain the weight.
Anyone that denies the benefits is simply ignorant or has bad intentions.
Lose muscle mass? What muscle mass? People who do not workout hardly have any muscle mass to lose.
Stop with the cope. Fasting is the best intervention for weight loss. Period. And I’m not saying it’s good for overall health.
Even @Dapose confirmed that it works for weight loss.
This was very similar to my experience in my early 20s. Did you find that it affected your hair?This is my exact experience Haidut writes about here. In my late 30’s I discovered the false hope of the Ketogenic diet and Fasting. After 6 months I was looking the skinniest I had been since my senior highschool year. Amazing! No, Dehydration! A year later endless health problems started. And I would go in and out of trying keto fasting again and again.
Here is the real problem that compounds as the psychology of what Haidut writes about plays out in your head. You feel really good fasting with good seeming mental clarity. This is because your cortisol is running the show. So you really feel like you’re doing the write thing. That’s a huge problem. The thing that is tearing down your tissues is giving you mental clarity and of course lower endo-toxin from never eating anything is great. But then you start getting leg cramps at night. Then you start getting foot cramps in the day. Then you boost electrolytes and eat more fat. Then you start loosing sleep. So then you start taking freezing cold showers. That’s fun and gives more mental clarity so then you cut out all plants from the diet. Then your thyroid starts to hurt!!! And you think it’s a soar throat! So then you Fast for longer! Then you start taking terrible supplements that you think help you detox! Whatever the hell that means. So this clear mind you get leads you down a rabbit hole right towards fatty liver, terribly hypothyroid, food craving.
I had a stabbing pain in my throat for an entire year. Right where my thyroid is. And all I could think to do was eat less frequently and eat more steak. And buy more supplements.
The harsh reality is that no one person in this country doesn’t have pounds of PUFA making up there bodies tissues. So if you want to fast you are putting yourself on a very high Pufa diet. It’s that simple.
Low-fat with plenty of sugar was finally my weight loss end. I lost my unwanted fat and have kept it off, when nothing else worked long term. Keto was the worst and vegetarian was bad too. Paleo and the Blood type diet were the best, but still second to Ray Peat’s advice. I kind of combine them all. I get what you mean about needing the stress for energy, the adrenaline, that was me too.At least most of you lost weight doing IF / Keto. I didn't lose weight (did it for 2+ years strict and even went carnivore) and started losing hair and I started feeling that I was looking old! But I did feel great! But I do think that was the PUFA removal as after adding carbs back in I'm still the same. I still need to lose fat though!