Johnson Bagfoot
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According to Buteyko's chart:
high etco2 should correlate with a high control pause and maximum pause. So they shouldn't be fighting against one another.
Maybe a person with a high etco2 is better off measuring their maximum pause (I get 60 seconds) as a better measurement. with a 60 second max pause I should have a control pause of 40, but i'm getting 10. unless i'm doing it wrong. but it makes sense because of the increased respitory rate of a high metabolism.
To all who want to participate - what is your maximum pause? does this correlate to your control pause as per the graph? what about heart rate? and co2 measurement (if you have one).
I'm someone who's studied and practised this technique extensively.
I want to say, there's huge variance. I was able to extend my maximum pause to 7 times my CP simply by doing a lot of them and using will power. I had an MP of 130 with a CP of 20. But to my dismay this training did not positively impact my automatic breathing rate. A less strenuous, less will power orientated approach was required. To this end, people also improve their CP without significant improvements in maximum pause, although they do tend to correlate.
Maximum pause can also fit a few criteria - firstly, it could be the first gulping motion, the first very strong diaphragmatic spasm, the first perceived extreme suffocation type sensation, or even further, to the point where your body literally forces you to breath. As an interesting parallel, free divers usually experience the start of contractions about 30% of the way into their maximum breath hold, so it's possible to go much much further than a perceived maximum if you really try. In the chart above, I think the maximum pause is best understood as the first very strong diaphragmatic spasm or strong swallow. This usually occurs 20-25s above CP.
In contrast to the graph above, my heart rate increased as I increased my control pause to 6x its starting number. So for someone healthy and athletic, the above graph might apply. But there is also the possibility for underlying conditions such as poor thyroid function or cortisol dysregulation (which are affected by poor respiration/co2) to suppress heart rate, and then to paradoxically raise pulse as CP improves. Extensive breathing retraining may also slow metabolism, and therefore lower pulse, so it could possibly be a positive sign for buteyko but a negative one for peat or other frameworks.
I think the graph above is essentially correlation data for untrained individuals seen in buteykos lab, since typical buteyko training that revolves around extended and maximum pauses will tend to greatly distort the figures above. Just through training, most practitioners with a little experience will have a maximum pause approximately 2.5 - 3x higher than their CP.
Johnson
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