Jennifer said:I too have read where Ray has said when he's in Mexico where the chickens are allowed to roam free, he doesn't limit his intake on eggs, but does to 1 - 2 per day when in Oregon.
Jennifer-
I very much doubt Peat eats like 14 eggs per week wherever he is.
I haven't thought about Peat & eggs carefully for a while,
but that is my impression.
I would like to investigate such areas carefully and in a focused way
when I get some time.
Jennifer said:But again, what is one extra egg in the grand scheme of things? You aren't going to die if you crave an extra egg and partake in it.
Yes, I agree completely.
As I said in my earlier post though,
a problem can arise if limits (I am sorry to use the word ) are not articulated.
What about if I crave and extra egg or two every day?'
Is it ever appropriate to employ the concept of limitation?
Jennifer said:If you believe that then we have to make the distinction of the weight of the egg in terms of what Ray feels is optimal and know exactly how much and of what type of food/bugs/vegetation the chicken who laid they egg had. We'll have to separate the yolk from the white and measure those two independently because yolks can be bigger or smaller, even in eggs of the same size and weight.
I do think such considerations/explorations/fine-tunings
are very appropriate and desirable.
I'd very much like to know exactly what the best Peat diet for my health would be.
I had a reaction akin to yours when I heard a few years ago
that some on the forum
including our illustrious admin
were separating the yolk out and throwing away the white.
I thought: man, these guys are getting carried away!
But...I don't see it like that now.
But always remember:
if the egg white does not offend thee,
thee may leave it and eat it.
Jennifer said:This is just my opinion, but as far as I'm concerned, that's not a way of eating, that's a prison sentence.
Yeah...see my last statement.
It is only a prison sentence if you buy into it and agree with the reasoning.
Nobody will force you to eat anything.
But I do see where you're coming from:
personally I put a lot of belief in Peat's nutritional ideas.
I tend to agree with them strongly.
I tend to buy into them strongly.
So...because of that investment of my trust/belief,
I am very much aware of restrictions.
Sometimes it feels imprisoning.
Sometimes I'm fine with it.
Generally I like it because it makes me happy to feel like I'm doing the best for my health.
Jennifer said:What I see as a running theme is that people get locked into highly restrictive diets believing they will bring them utopian health, but even more so, I believe they do it out of fear of becoming what they don't want, whether it be overweight, getting a disease that "runs" in the family or one that they watched a friend die from ect. They follow the diets to a T, ignore legitimate cravings through sheer willpower and/or fear and end up really sick. They are then told by the believers of that diet that they didn't do the diet right.
The problem is they did do the diet right and everyone else who was doing the diet and felt lousy on it jumped ship before they ever sank. We are the wreckage. We are the diehards, the perfectionists, the overachievers at all costs. We go to extremes. I'm trying to stop myself from going to extremes. I'm trying to be flexible. Ray has changed his stance on food over the years. We too should give ourselves the same flexibility, no?
This is a very interesting view.
There's something to it, I must say.
I am the wreckage of the paleo/primal/Mercola diets...yes.
I did them, as you say, to an extreme, "to a T."
I should have distrusted those dietary ideas.
Okay, lesson learned.
Now...do I apply that lesson learned to Peat's ideas?
Do I under no circumstances ever allow myself to believe in a dietary regime again,
and always refuse to faithfully follow any dietary philosophy,
including Peat's...?
It's an interesting idea.
But...I can't really say I go along with it.
One might compare the idea to the romantic sphere:
one is disappointed in love,
so one vows never to believe in love again?
Jennifer said:Either way, I just want for people to have health and happiness without the constant struggle. If they're happy, healthy and loving themselves, no matter what they ate to achieve that, I'm happy for them. :)
If they got happy and healthy while not eating a Peat diet
then I hate them!
KIDDING!
But this does raise a real question.
Let's say the Powers That Be in the forum--
you know, those powerful few in the Inner Sanctum,
in their glass and metal offices high above us --
let's say they decide that they want
above all
to make the forum Inclusive.
And, in line with that,
they want to present a Peat diet that is
above all
Inclusive.
A diet that will not be off-putting to anyone,
a diet that anyone could joyfully embrace,
a diet that above all feels UnRestrictive...
...would you foresee any possible difficulties or conflicts
in bringing such a set of priorities to bear
on the project of faithfully and accurately representing
what Peat describes as an optimal diet? :)