Low Toxin Lifestyle These Things Are Killing Your Potassium Stores

[Jamsey]

Practically, it all boiled down to eating carrots. Which may help in the short-term for some things, but is not helpful for the issues people are dealing with nowadays. Carrots are inherently toxic due to the large amount of beta-carotene. One medium carrot has 5mg beta-carotene. The absorption rates vary. When adding fat like coconut oil, the amount of beta-carotene absorbed can be very large, it's possible to receive 1mg of retinol from this. This is already more than the RDA.

It's a bit tragic that the one fiber vegetable he discovered for speeding up bowel movements was also the one with the highest carotene content.

He also thought that coffee consumption and caffeine protected the liver, which is likely true, but he was not aware of the complex interactions of coffee with the detoxification of retinol.

Ray mentioned many times that he favored fiber sources with a higher percentage of insoluble fiber, like carrots, mushrooms, and bamboo shoots. He had this view because of the studies he read, with certain soluble fibers having carcinogenic or inflammatory properties on longer time frames due to their tendency to promote certain bacterial populations. Not sure why you would say he only recommended carrots, when he recommended all 3 many different times. Also, carrots exist in many colors, including white if that’s your preference.

Some links:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9549209/

“We observed that carotenoids in the orange carrots reduced HFD-induced weight gain, better than white carrots. Histological and triglyceride (TG) analyses revealed significantly decreased HFD-induced hepatic lipid deposition and TG content in the HFD + WC group, which was further reduced in the HFD + OC group. Western blot analysis demonstrated inconsistent changes of fatty acid synthesis-related proteins but significantly improved ACOX-1 and CPT-II, indicating that orange carrot carotenoids had the potential to inhibit NAFLD by improving β-oxidation. Further investigation showed significantly higher mRNA and protein levels of PPARα and its transcription factor activity”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3201963/

“We found that dietary WBM intake significantly lowered liver weight and hepatic injury markers in OVX mice. Pathological examination of liver tissue showed less fat accumulation in the livers of mice on WBM diet; moreover, these animals had improved glucose clearance ability.”

Bamboo shoot dietary fiber alleviates gut microbiota dysbiosis and modulates liver fatty acid metabolism in mice with high-fat diet-induced obesity - PubMed

Our study suggests that BSDF as a prebiotic supplement has the potential to improve obesity by improving gut microbiota and modulating host PPAR and fatty acid metabolic pathways.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“We found that BSDF(bamboo shoot dietary fiber) was effective in reducing lipid accumulation in liver and adipose tissue and alleviating dyslipidemia and insulin resistance. Liver transcriptome analysis results showed that BSDF could improve lipid metabolism and liver injury by modulating peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor (PPAR) and fatty acid metabolic pathways.”

 

[mosaic01]

Ray mentioned many times that he favored fiber sources with a higher percentage of insoluble fiber,

Yes, and that's one of the problems. Only soluble fiber has the bile- and toxin binding properties.

I am aware of mushrooms and bamboo shoots he recommended, but I think the carrot was his most well-known recommendation. Either way, sources of insoluble fiber do not support bile detoxification.

Soluble fiber reliably lowers cholesterol levels, because the body has to produce new bile from the cholesterol all the time.

 

[Jamsey]

Yes, and that's one of the problems. Only soluble fiber has the bile- and toxin binding properties.

I am aware of mushrooms and bamboo shoots he recommended, but I think the carrot was his most well-known recommendation. Either way, sources of insoluble fiber do not support bile detoxification.

Soluble fiber reliably lowers cholesterol levels, because the body has to produce new bile from the cholesterol all the time.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1094/CCHEM.2000.77.4.518

“The relative in vitro bile acid binding of the cereal brans on an equal TDF basis considering cholestyramine as 100% bound was rice bran 51%, wheat bran 31%, oat bran 26%, and corn bran 5%. The data suggest that cholesterol lowering by rice bran appears to be related to bile acid binding. The primary mechanism of cholesterol lowering by oat bran may not be due to bile acid binding by soluble fiber. Bile acid binding did not appear to be proportional to the soluble fiber content of the cereal brans tested. Bile acid binding by wheat bran may contribute to cancer prevention and other healthful properties.”

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=32b45b916bdeb8ceb8e1cf7e55003c0a2fb599a4

-Another link for this study(https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/S0002-9165(23)28934-0/abstract#:~:text=Two hundred grams of raw,in bacterial flora or metabolism.)

“Two hundred grams of raw carrot eaten at breakfast each day for 3 weeks significantly reduced serum cholesterol by 11%, increased fecal bile acid and fat excretion by 50%, and modestly increased stool weight by 25%. This suggests an associated change in bacterial flora or metabolism. The changes in serum cholesterol, fecal bile acids, and fat persisted 3 weeks after stopping treatment.”

Not only do carrots and insoluble fiber work, but with the carrot, the effects persist even after stopping consumption, possibly showing lasting microbial changes and transit time increases.

 

[mattmm24]

He does not concern himself with that. When you fix the toxicities and deficiencies it fixes everything.

The reason I asked is from my understanding, you need well working adrenals in order to have proper functioning copper metabolism.

 

[mosaic01]

Not only do carrots and insoluble fiber work, but with the carrot, the effects persist even after stopping consumption, possibly showing lasting microbial changes and transit time increases.

I think there are many open questions. The first study comparing fiber with cholestyramine in vitro can't possibly translate into the real world.

Cholestyramine is often used in chronic mold toxicity by people like Dr. Shoemaker. Cholestyramine traps the bile by ion exchange, and it also traps all the toxins the bile includes and does not let them go. I doubt you can create the conditions of this kind of bile binding by in vitro bile mixtures.

The bile-binding and thus cholesterol lowering effect of cholestyramine is extreme. No way that rice bran has 50% of it's effect in vivo.

The study suggests that the cholesterol lowering effect of oat bran is due to a mechanism unrelated to bile acid binding. But to bind toxins, you need to bind bile in a way to also trap the toxins that are within the bile. This process I think is not very well studied. But it seems soluble fiber does trap toxins, while insoluble fiber doesn't. The toxins usually get reabsorbed in the large intestine due to the enterohepatic circulation, and this process needs to be interrupted - by binders like charcoal, bentonite, zeolite, and sources of soluble fiber.

From my own experiences and the experience of others, insoluble fiber does not bind to toxins that are affected by the enterohepatic circulation. Lowered cholesterol is not a causal marker of toxin binding, because as the paper notes, cholesterol lowering can have many causes and there is no consensus yet on the reasons for the cholesterol lowering effect of fiber.

There are also probably different kind of toxins that respond to different kinds of digestive processes and fiber. So it could be that the carrot and other sources of insoluble fiber help expel more of the usual metabolic waste and certain things like hormones, and optimize the gut flora. But they do not seem to bind the kind of toxins that people accumulate more and more. Empirically, only soluble fiber helps in this kind detoxification, it's on a similar level as binders. People who react to binders also react to soluble fiber, but they usually don't react to insoluble fiber.

The second study is interesting, and shows that insoluble fiber also has health promoting effects, probably by the mechanisms Peat describes.

Most evidence suggests that soluble fiber exerts its hypocholesterolemic effect by binding bile acids and cholesterol in the intestine, resulting in an increased fecal loss and altered colonic metabolism of bile acids. (...) At present, there is no evidence that insoluble fiber has a significant effect on plasma lipid concentrations.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780123750839001471

 

[InChristAlone]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1094/CCHEM.2000.77.4.518

“The relative in vitro bile acid binding of the cereal brans on an equal TDF basis considering cholestyramine as 100% bound was rice bran 51%, wheat bran 31%, oat bran 26%, and corn bran 5%. The data suggest that cholesterol lowering by rice bran appears to be related to bile acid binding. The primary mechanism of cholesterol lowering by oat bran may not be due to bile acid binding by soluble fiber. Bile acid binding did not appear to be proportional to the soluble fiber content of the cereal brans tested. Bile acid binding by wheat bran may contribute to cancer prevention and other healthful properties.”

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=32b45b916bdeb8ceb8e1cf7e55003c0a2fb599a4

-Another link for this study(https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/S0002-9165(23)28934-0/abstract#:~:text=Two hundred grams of raw,in bacterial flora or metabolism.)

“Two hundred grams of raw carrot eaten at breakfast each day for 3 weeks significantly reduced serum cholesterol by 11%, increased fecal bile acid and fat excretion by 50%, and modestly increased stool weight by 25%. This suggests an associated change in bacterial flora or metabolism. The changes in serum cholesterol, fecal bile acids, and fat persisted 3 weeks after stopping treatment.”

Not only do carrots and insoluble fiber work, but with the carrot, the effects persist even after stopping consumption, possibly showing lasting microbial changes and transit time increases.

Breath hydrogen went up significantly, indicating fermentation. Peat claimed the raw carrot was not fermentative, a guy who was showcased on the documentary "On The Back of a Tiger" told the community this isn't true and was basically black listed lol. But that study definitely backs up whatever study he posted. Also we aren't just looking for fecal bile acids, we are looking for overall good health. These studies don't tell us what was their overall health? Plus what if they followed them for 5 yrs eating 30 baby carrots a day! That's a significant amount of carotene. Peat only recommend a small carrot a day. That's really not going to be doing much in terms of bile.

 

[Jamsey]

But it seems soluble fiber does trap toxins, while insoluble fiber doesn't. The toxins usually get reabsorbed in the large intestine due to the enterohepatic circulation, and this process needs to be interrupted - by binders like charcoal, bentonite, zeolite, and sources of soluble fiber.

From my own experiences and the experience of others, insoluble fiber does not bind to toxins that are affected by the enterohepatic circulation. Lowered cholesterol is not a causal marker of toxin binding, because as the paper notes, cholesterol lowering can have many causes and there is no consensus yet on the reasons for the cholesterol lowering effect of fibers

There are also probably different kind of toxins that respond to different kinds of digestive processes and fiber. So it could be that the carrot and other sources of insoluble fiber help expel more of the usual metabolic waste and certain things like hormones, and optimize the gut flora. But they do not seem to bind the kind of toxins that people accumulate more and more. Empirically, only soluble fiber helps in this kind detoxification, it's on a similar level as binders.

I posted the first study because I don’t think you say that insoluble fiber doesn’t have bile binding properties. Now if you want to talk about the extent of these properties and compare against soluble fiber, that would a fair point to debate. But to say these properties don’t exist at all is clearly not true.

As for your point about toxins, could you clarify which toxins you are talking about?

Also, I would bring up the point that the fermentation of soluble fibers causes them to release any toxins they might have bound in the first place. This would likely cause them to be reabsorbed. Insoluble fiber would likely not have this issue, or at least to a much lower extent.

I’ll leave you with another study(it’s in vitro don’t freak out) on heavy metals

An in vitro study of wheat bran binding capacity for Hg, Cd, and Pb - PubMed

Water-soluble dietary fiber (WSDF), water-insoluble dietary fiber (WIDF) from wheat bran, and the carboxymethylated product of WIDF (CIDF), all having low contents of protein, ash, and phytic acid, were evaluated for their scavenging capacity for three heavy metals, Hg, Cd, and Pb. The results...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“Water-soluble dietary fiber (WSDF), water-insoluble dietary fiber (WIDF) from wheat bran, and the carboxymethylated product of WIDF (CIDF), all having low contents of protein, ash, and phytic acid, were evaluated for their scavenging capacity for three heavy metals, Hg, Cd, and Pb. The results showed that WIDF had higher BC(max) (maximum amount of bound heavy metal ions) and BC(min) values (minimum concentration of heavy metal ions below which the ions cannot be bound by dietary fibers) than WSDF at two pH conditions (pH 2.0 and 7.0). ”

“Colon fermentation released part of the heavy metal ions from dietary fibers. From the results it can be concluded that dietary fibers from wheat bran can effectively bind all three tested metal ions to prevent the body from being affected by their toxicity.”

 

[mosaic01]

As for your point about toxins, could you clarify which toxins you are talking about?

Dr. Shoemakers patients get better on cholestyramine. He thinks it binds to the biotoxins from the mold. People on low A diets want to detox vitamin A and copper, and other stuff.

I think no one really knows what kind of toxic mixture is in our bile. It's a combination of all the toxins that are in our bodies. A lot is our own metabolic waste including hormones, plus the fat soluble toxins like retinol, beta-carotene, then there are heavy metals, environmental toxins, etc.

Also, I would bring up the point that the fermentation of soluble fibers causes them to release any toxins they might have bound in the first place. This would likely cause them to be reabsorbed. Insoluble fiber would likely not have this issue, or at least to a much lower extent.

The fermentation of soluble fiber usually happens in the large intestine. The reuptake of toxic bile happens in the last part of the small intestine, as part of the enterohepatic circulation. Once the bile is transported past that point, the bile containing the toxins no longer needs a "transport carrier" to prevent it from getting reabsorbed.

 

[Ktbridge]

I miss haidut

Me too

 

[Morten]

I miss haidut

Does he not still have his blog?

 

[Morten]

Yes, and that's one of the problems. Only soluble fiber has the bile- and toxin binding properties.

I am aware of mushrooms and bamboo shoots he recommended, but I think the carrot was his most well-known recommendation. Either way, sources of insoluble fiber do not support bile detoxification.

Soluble fiber reliably lowers cholesterol levels, because the body has to produce new bile from the cholesterol all the time.

So fruits are prefered for bile flow? = soluble fiber